Lemon Wren
Well-Known Member
Yes, I've been clear that I don't know. Doesn't mean it isn't an issue.
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Your Elvenar Team
Beginning Chapters
- Thread starter Myne
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crackie
Chef, Scroll-Keeper, Buddy's #1 Fan
Their loss! Gold Spire FS have turnover too because real life happens A LOT! I lost 3 players in December due to health emergencies. It's bloody hard trying to recruit in general, but more difficult for Gold Spire FS when there's very limited Spire data to go on. I don't have a problem with people contacting my players trying to recruit them, but seriously, another Gold FS practically asked everyone in my FS except me (archmage) and the mages to join theirs. Now that is just lazy recruiting! Anyway, you'd be shocked how off mark some people's sense of their own Spire abilities are. They'll write things in their application like, "Yes, I love the Spire and can climb to the top!" But when you let them in, they can't find their way out of Gateway. Therefore, it's easier for me to recruit newbies with the right spirit and attitude and mold them into Spire pros. Hence, I don't really care about a player's score, chapter, or rank. Just willingness to learn and be team players. Baby cities under the right guidance can become very productive medium cities. Chapter 1-2 can be done in a week and then it's Spire time!
Unfortunately, the ship I'm captaining is on the EN server. A friend roped me into starting a new city on EN and then she stopped playing! Now I'm left creating shenanigans with mostly the Marmite and Vegemite crowd.
Lemon Wren
Well-Known Member
Lol. Sorry you have to deal with that. I could never be an AM - way too much work!
Lemon Wren
Well-Known Member
Yes, I totally agree on the right spirit. I know highly ranked players who have no idea how to do the spire and players in chapter three crushing it all the way to gold in spire. Just depends on the goals and skills of the player.
And cold call recruiting is just plain rude. I would never go to a FS that tried that.
And again, I could never be an AM, but good luck with the shenanigans! A good AM is worth their weight in - donkeys? That's the current currency, right?
crackie
Chef, Scroll-Keeper, Buddy's #1 Fan
Absolutely! But you will start to hit a T2 crunch in chap 4 so make more T2’s than you think you need. Chap 3 Spire is the cheapest Spire. Climb high and climb often!Now I want to see if my baby city can top the spire! (Ch 3 on the verge of ch 4) Thanks @Iyapo1!
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Huor
Guest
I'm going to try a chapter 3 city and see what I can do with it. That's the plan for my second city. It's in chapter 2 now. Hoping most of my troops will be from passive production starting with the watchtower and drone riders. No ma yet to get orcs and guards. Sure wish I had a dojo. lol.
Elivarian
Member
I 2nd the T2 production.
I don't remember it being that much i needed of it when i started back in 2016 on EN servers.
I mainly fight tournament and cater the few very un-even ones where i will lose many troops. I fight maybe half in spire and cater the rest of the first two levels.
As i knew from the beginning that it was important to have enough of goods for catering map provinces i set out with 6 T1 end when i got T2 i setup 3, T3 2. But in chapter 8 i put one of my T3 in storage and build another T2, so i now have 4 of them. I boost them all day, and they are also upgaded max.
It must have been when they changed the tournament system, where i was gone for 1½ year, so coming back an all catering city was not possible anymore. It was before i stopped playing.
Of course it all depends on how your playing style is and what you want to reach do. I now after starting a city on US servers, don't push it to the limit. I don't do max guest race, maybe half, so i move slower - but it's way less stressful and i don't have to always be struggling for space in my city
I don't remember it being that much i needed of it when i started back in 2016 on EN servers.
I mainly fight tournament and cater the few very un-even ones where i will lose many troops. I fight maybe half in spire and cater the rest of the first two levels.
As i knew from the beginning that it was important to have enough of goods for catering map provinces i set out with 6 T1 end when i got T2 i setup 3, T3 2. But in chapter 8 i put one of my T3 in storage and build another T2, so i now have 4 of them. I boost them all day, and they are also upgaded max.
It must have been when they changed the tournament system, where i was gone for 1½ year, so coming back an all catering city was not possible anymore. It was before i stopped playing.
Of course it all depends on how your playing style is and what you want to reach do. I now after starting a city on US servers, don't push it to the limit. I don't do max guest race, maybe half, so i move slower - but it's way less stressful and i don't have to always be struggling for space in my city
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Rp44
Active Member
My two not-going-beyond-chapter-3 tiny cities are full cater, no barracks or armories or anything military. They have won enough troops and troop instants from events that they can usually fight the first four Spire battles and could fight the first few tourney provinces if I wanted to click more times (I usually don't lol I get plenty of tourney clicking elsewhere). They top the Spire weekly with no issues plus 2-4K tourney. And they LOVE big event buildings - the bigger the building, the more spell fragments it breaks into.
Perhaps because those cities are set up for catering (no goods issues), I was pleasantly suprised by the re-vamping of the first couple of chapters. They take less KP now, which is great. And several of the first build and upgrade times have been shortened. And some quests give timers as rewards!
Besides KP, coins are really the limiting factor to growth and progress early on. I was lucky enough to not have the fellowship tech included so I could join groups right away (for more people for NH as well as trades). I was lucky there too since I promoted myself by using my older cities as examples of my capabilities.
For completely new players, I think there has to be a balance between keeping their interest and helping them realize that this is a game that requires a fair amount of patience. If the first chapters all went fast, guest races would *really* be a slap in the face. I don't think I can judge if they are too slow because I had a plan /goal - EA map of my finished ch 3 city - and was eager to get there. But if the first chapters had been the way they are now when I first started playing, I probably would have less abandoned cities all over the place. (Maybe. The experimenting was lots of fun.)
Perhaps because those cities are set up for catering (no goods issues), I was pleasantly suprised by the re-vamping of the first couple of chapters. They take less KP now, which is great. And several of the first build and upgrade times have been shortened. And some quests give timers as rewards!
Besides KP, coins are really the limiting factor to growth and progress early on. I was lucky enough to not have the fellowship tech included so I could join groups right away (for more people for NH as well as trades). I was lucky there too since I promoted myself by using my older cities as examples of my capabilities.
For completely new players, I think there has to be a balance between keeping their interest and helping them realize that this is a game that requires a fair amount of patience. If the first chapters all went fast, guest races would *really* be a slap in the face. I don't think I can judge if they are too slow because I had a plan /goal - EA map of my finished ch 3 city - and was eager to get there. But if the first chapters had been the way they are now when I first started playing, I probably would have less abandoned cities all over the place. (Maybe. The experimenting was lots of fun.)
crackie
Chef, Scroll-Keeper, Buddy's #1 Fan
I feel like we need a helya bingo board, because sometimes, we get random announcements like this that seem to come from left field.
helya
Beloved Ex-Team Member
The free space should definitely be "Stealing all the snacks"
Mirai
Active Member
Thank you. New to this game, finding it a slowwww grind in me week 1, Chapter 2. In a decent, if semi-active Fellowship. It's actually reassuring to hear that others find it slow going as well; the hurry up and wait aspect is - kind of odd, really.
Myne
Oh Wise One
i LOVE her random announcements
crackie
Chef, Scroll-Keeper, Buddy's #1 Fan
If we win Community Manager Bingo, do we get to hold a contest for naming Spire bosses?
Darielle
Chef, Scroll-Keeper, and Buddy Fan Club Member
I am still trying to figure out what to call them! I'd love a contest for that!
helya
Beloved Ex-Team Member
Sure. Of course, you know I will see the bingo card and can thus determine the outcome, right?
We can have an unofficial contest for February, but it still terrifies me.
Lelanya
Scroll-Keeper, Keys to the Gems
So I run a FS, and we have a smallish city, a second city, taken as a favor to one of our higher members. And they always have their hand out. I am going to take a good look at their chapter at this point because honestly it's been way too long. Yes I do understand the idea but when is it enough?
Myne
Oh Wise One
It's enough when you find out they are not upgrading and progressing to justify the amount you are giving them. Their manufactories should be maxed and their workshops and houses. If they are then they need to learn to manage their resources and plan their progression.