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News from Beta - May Contain Spoilers!
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crackie
Chef, Scroll-Keeper, Buddy's #1 Fan
None of that sounds anything close to Bud Sorceress though…
You beat me to it!Henroo said:They are not showing the mage units any love. There has not been a single 4 star promotion for them yet.
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Henroo
Oh Wise One
Maybe Buddy can hire some of those burly 4-star Treants as bodyguards. Would sure help with those pesky Cerberus and Hellhounds! Mistwalkers, not so much...
crackie
Chef, Scroll-Keeper, Buddy's #1 Fan
They can't keep up with her with their slow as molasses 2-hex movement! That money is probably better spent on more snacks for the Spire BBQ than corn. I can't believe I only learned about the Spire BBQ this year. We've been climbing the wrong Spire this whole time!
Yogi Dave
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My FS has been taking party food up the spire from the beginning. Chocolate, strawberries, wine, BBQ, beer, seafood gumbo, etc. Sometimes we drop cookies to those still climbing. We even have a composting toilet up there behind the clock gears. The spirits do cleanup after the party which is a bonus to find it clean each week. Oh, did I mention the music?
Being human, I don't have the too often maligned Buddy. When I played as an elf I learned they can survive, but you almost always lose some in every battle. However, I like the priest and love the blossom mages. Both would be great at level 4 (as would Buddy). The frogs would actually be my fav to be level 4, especially since there isn't a regular 5d building HRs. More powerful acid spitting frogs would be more awesome than they already are. As for the HM, they are my least favorite troop to use, but you have to at times. Of them I use the Vallorian Guards the most and since you always lose HM troops (and LM) in every battle they are in it will be nicer to have them a bit stronger.
The Unbeliever
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That's probably because both Blossom's and especially the Priests are bonkers OP units, and we know the devs are infuriatingly obsessed with their mythical "perfect game balance" malarkey.They are not showing the mage units any love. There has not been a single 4 star promotion for them yet.
At least Human players now have 4* Rangers, and Priests with enough buffs still hold up... but our HR is at this point relying entirely on Frogs to be worth a damn.
I'd be willing to bet wearing a Toronto Maple Leafs Jersey for an entire season that Blossoms, Priests & Frogs will be the final 3 unit upgrades, appearing sometime mid to late 2024 at the rate we're now getting new Chapter releases!!
(...and I say this as a die-hard Montreal Canadiens fan, which makes this a pretty serious bet!
)Raccon
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That has already been stablished when the Almighthy Mist Walker was introduced!
Henroo
Oh Wise One
With the aid of a fed Fire Phoenix, a Mage Multiplier Building, and a high level Dragon Abbey my almighty Priests can burn down a Mistwalker! As long as there is only 1. If there are 2 or more, they pray about it and figure out plan B.
Henroo
Oh Wise One
You are wrong about this. A 3 star Orc Strat is better than a 3 star Frog. At least using autofight. I routinely won battles with 3 star Orc Stats which my 3 star Frogs had just lost. And once you get the 4 star promotion for Orc Strats in ch 18, it truly is no contest!
Enevhar Aldarion
Oh Wise One
I also have to say that my 3-star frogs have seemed weaker in recent months, than they were maybe a year ago. This is not just from a fight or two, but almost every fight where I use them, both in my Live and Beta cities that have 3-star frogs.
Yogi Dave
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I use both a lot for different purposes. However, I do manual fight a good bit in the upper provs. Frogs are best when there is a hedge either in front of you or them. Strats require more open ground. As such, I can see why strats would generally be better/safer if you can't see the arena.
Raccon
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Excellent points in how to defeat a Mist walker in your game level and your luck to get enough military boosting buildings which dosen't apply to all playersWith the aid of a fed Fire Phoenix, a Mage Multiplier Building, and a high level Dragon Abbey my almighty Priests can burn down a Mistwalker! As long as there is only 1. If there are 2 or more, they pray about it and figure out plan B.
Now back to the topic, my reply here:
Was based on your coment about devs not showing love to mages:
And every body knows how overly previlaged (outside the game rules) are the Mist Walkers. Regardless of how successfuly a player can defeat them, the game is still tilted in their favor and that's what I meant in my coment, or as you said 'devs showed no love for mage units'They are not showing the mage units any love. There has not been a single 4 star promotion for them yet.
Killy-
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Since the day they changed how debuffs are working.
crackie
Chef, Scroll-Keeper, Buddy's #1 Fan
I never get hung up on their promotion level. The attack and damage level improvements are rarely that life changing. No one is gonna suddenly be able to get rid of a Mist Walker in one shot thanks to a single promotion. Frog’s special ability is one of the least useful in its current state. It’s only applied to other HR and HM that come after and then it’s cleared when LR goes again. Frogs are generally used as long range artillery so it’s rare to have a frog set up a hit for slow bumbling HM unless the battle has gone pear shaped. In most cases, it only benefits other frogs going after.
Looks like they didn’t implement it correctly either (not just just Buddy’s debuff).
I am still convinced there is a bug on Mist Walkers as to how their hit (when someone shoots her) is calculated. There are too many provinces with multiple cities to get through to stop and calculate the math between rounds though. If her debuff count is a confirmed bug, then the possibility of her damage count being a bug is not impossible. Her hitpoints is supposed to be comparable to Dryads. If that’s true, then I want my Dryads to behave more like her, but they don’t.
helya
Beloved Ex-Team Member
I can confirm that this is likely a part of the debuff issue that the devs are working on
Yogi Dave
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Around a year ago, maybe more, there was talk in Beta about a change in the amount of damage an enemy troop takes, making it harder to kill them. According to Dony and Karvest, this was done to fix a bug in province fighting when the enemy brought more than 5 stacks of troops. The result of the change means it may take an extra shot to take out an enemy which means a troop of yours didn't get to hit someone else leaving your troops open to another full stack of theirs. Even with 1 troop left in their stack, they impart the full power of their special abilities which just exacerbates the problem. This has made me look at the enemy's defense bonus to help me choose the appropriate troop to use against them. I wish I knew what this discussion is in beta. I'll look some more but haven't been able to find it yet.
I have to disagree with this statement (again remember I do manual). A frog by itself doesn't have much use, but with several frogs and maybe a strat or two to take out LR, that debuff of the enemy's defense is great. I have noticed when watching several auto battles, the frogs don't usually go after the troop that will cause you the most damage the next round and they tend to hit a couple of troops instead of concentrating fire on one stack. About the only time I split their fire is when I have 2 strats and by hitting 2 LR with my frogs usually allows the strats to take out the LR.
Agreed. Mist Walker seem to and will continue to be a problem. However, I have found I use my 4-star barbarians more, even at times in provs above 30. I also now use my crossbowmen a lot more and rangers far less as a result of their upgrade mainly because they survive an attack better when their initiative isn't high enough. My main use of dryads is to distract a
Yogi Dave
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Good to hear.
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