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Ancient Wonders then and now.

TimeMachine

TimeMachine

Well-Known Member

Future Ancient Wonders​


Vestige of Eternity​


[analysis by @TimeMachine]
This Ancient Wonder seems to be planned and implemented in order to put additional attraction on the spire.
Regarding "Elvenar's Narnia", my longterm beta fellowship (Yes there are fellowships on beta "really" playing the game even on beta! ;)), this seemed to have worked. Elvenar's Narnia played their first Gold-Spire shortly after the Vestige of Eternity had arrived on beta server.

Honestly I am still far away from being able to write down an analysis in full, simply because my Vestige is still at Level 1 but I like the idea of having a new wonder which will not be another space saving wonder in any form, like lots of the other Ancient Wonders already are.

The Vestige of Eternity isn't a space saver, it is a Space Creator! Since it needs no space in your city because it will be situated at the outskirts of your city it's footprint is zero and therefore does not burden the urban area at all.

Plus it will give an, I would like to call it "Vestige-Expansion" every 5th wonder upgrade.
The first Vestige-Expansion becomes available directly after having built the Vestige of Eternity.
Those "Vestige-Expansions" should not be included in the calculation of the spire and tournament formula, so I see them as luxury expansions!

This Ancient Wonder will definetely will live up to its name. I haven't done the math yet although it isn't that complex but other beta players were speaking of about a duration of 7 years to fully upgrade this wonder unless there won't be additional Spirit Orbs aside from those that can be won in spire.

Every week humans and elves will be able to gain a maximum amount of 3 Spirit Orbs per spire if they do the whole spire.
Every boss chest will contain one guaranteed Spirit Orb.

Important to know, these Spirit Orbs are in principle like the runes for all the conventinal wonders, with one big difference.
Every single upgrade of the Vestige of Eternity will be a Rune- respectively Spirit Orb-Phase.
So that is why fully upgrading this wonder will take several years. Keep in mind that even if you complete the spire every week some of them Spirit Orbs will probably be shattered, like you already know it with the runes in conventional wonders.

After having built the Vestige of Eternity, the, I would like to call it "Spire Bird Spirit", will appear on your way to spire before you'll be able to reach the first spire encounter. It will give you a random multiple choice of Spire Benefits. You will be able to choose one of three in every stage of the spire.
So in the third stage of the spire you will have 3 active Spire Benefits, matching the increasing difficulty of the Spire. ;)
I've already screenshoted some of them possibilities of Spire Benefits you can find these examples in the "News from Beta Thread".

The higher the wonder level of the Vestige of Eternity the stronger your Spire Benefit Power.
Which Spire Benefits can be chosen depends on random, as far as I can tell.

Conclusion: To me this new Ancient Wonder will be a really nice feature in Elvenar, It will give especially endgamers and of course all other humans and elves an additional possibility of getting "Vestige-Expansions" for their cities.

The Spire Benefits will if they grow stronger probably help to use less 2x2 military boosters for fighters or will help to spare pet food that formally had been used to feed the Astral Phoenix by carterers.
Or in other words them Spire Benefits are with a little luck and with higher Vestige levels capable to make it easier to reach the top of spire.

This wonder doesn't seem to have any cons, because it doesn't need any city space due to a zero-footprint.
Plus it will make the spire easier and help with them luxury "Vestige-Expansions.

I cannot find any reasons to not recommend building the Vestige of Eternity, only thing which I am not really sure of at this moment is the question if and how the Vestige-Wonder-Levles may be included in the calculation of the spire and tournament formula.

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The construction of the Vestige of Eternity results in a large building graphic on the mountainside:
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After some years of regular spire playing it might look like this:

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Wonder effects:

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TimeMachine

TimeMachine

Well-Known Member
I've just added some more detailed changes to the first few wonders of this thread and just made it to the Watchtower Ruins.
I will continue to add all minor and major changes in detail during the next few days.

Another topic that is close to my heart is that my Discord-Scout was telling me that I was accused of stealing content and passing it off as my own work.

At first, I never did stuff like this and I will never do, simply because that wouldn't be my style!

I would like to say that everybody who added or will add anything worth knowing to this thread can be mentioned with her or his accountname, if she or he wants it.
The first unknown source is not in my reach anymore and I am pretty sure that he probably would not have wanted to be mentioned by accountname after quitting the game and deleting his forum account.
Just in case he should unlikely read this one day and should want to be mentioned, he would know how to reach me! ;)

After that hard accusation, I did take a closer look at "my work" and decided that I had to ask 3 german players if they would like to have their german accountnames mentioned on their translated analyses and / or their numerical values.
If they want to I would love to add their accountnames,
I've just asked them via DM and will update this thread as soon as possible depending on their answers.

By this, I hope that people that already were throwing dirt at me in my former forum, will realize that there is absolutely no good reason to do so. :cool:

I think that I already know very well who that person is trying to throw dirt at me. I am usually not a person who is hastily pulling charges because of slander, but in this special case I have to say that it would be a pleasure to me. :)

I was teached about patent right by a very rich and sucessful patent lawyer, know a lot about intellectual property rights and I am respecting those.
Mentioning this was important to me because I really hate this Dark Triad behaviour which seems to strongly occure among german players.
Maybe Meta-Gaming has meanwhile become the "new" trend in good old Germany, I don't know about it.

But I can say whoever wants to try to bring me down by character assassination will will cut her/his teeth.
I am like an ostrich egg - Not biteable! :D

I think that it is really sad when somebody invests hours of time to establish a base of a Guide that is meant to help especially newer players and gets accused of stealing for this. These people or this person doesn't seem to have a good idea of what the forums should be for.
 
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TimeMachine

TimeMachine

Well-Known Member
Today I've added some german sources that allowed me to publish their accountnames in this thread. Thank you guys! ;)

With the glorious help of Trinculo's Table, I was able to add some more detailed changes to them "now status-posts".

For all those who would like to proofread, I've arrived with my revision at the Blooming Trader Guild for now and will take a break. :)
 
Pheryll

Pheryll

Set Designer
Double check this statement (thermal springs of youth)

Regarding wonder level 35 the first effect, Population provided by Residences, was at +22,0%% and went down to +24,0%
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According to Mykan's chart your numbers are correct; it is the phrasing as a nerf instead of a buff that seems odd.
 
TimeMachine

TimeMachine

Well-Known Member
Yay! I've just made my way through the whole thread again. Now every major and minor change should be listed now.

Plus I added Rikku33 from Germany as an analysis-author.

The next days I will start writing the original Guilde which should grow out of this thread.
My biggest fear regarding this at the moment is creating the "Hyperlink-Table of Content" because I never did this before here on the good old forums. I hope will make it anyway. :cool:

Last but not least I would like to point out that for Chapter 21 and 22 we do not have any player base analyses yet.
So I would like to ask all them Veterans here on us to maybe add a little analysis here in this thread.
Thanks in advance! ;)
 
Pheryll

Pheryll

Set Designer

Maman Le Pré's Antique Shop​

From it's introduction this wonder appeared as an excellent source of seeds that would not deteriorate with the chapters. The Great Wonder change fixed the scaling of the other seed producing wonders, so that the seed production of this one may end up somewhat redundant.

The ascended goods did not look that impressive when introduced, but this factor was shown to have irregular scaling, as the community works production doubled with chapter 22. In the long run it is hard to say whether the ascended good benefit will continue to increase to competitive levels.
 

ajqtrz

Chef - Loquacious One
It's really too bad this Vestige of Eternity isn't available for players at about lvl 15 or so. Getting them now, (waiting for new chapter) when I find the Spire pretty easy already may help some, but I really could have used them a lot earlier. So, for me this AW may be "too little, too late."

AJ
 
TimeMachine

TimeMachine

Well-Known Member
ajqtrz said:
It's really too bad this Vestige of Eternity isn't available for players at about lvl 15 or so.
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As soon as it will be released on live server the Vestige of Eternity is becoming available to all humans and elves who already have researched the spire. ;)
But I am of course with you on this one, players who haven't yet experienced that far in chapters will probably percieve this Ancient as a bigger attraction than the players who already succeed in regulary playing the spire to the top.

For those who are looking for a greater challenge @InnoGames will implement the SBS (Spire Battle Skill) so that players like you will be able to put more attraction on the spire by slowly increasing it's difficulty. :)
 
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ajqtrz

Chef - Loquacious One
TimeMachine said:
As soon as it will be released on live server the Vestige of Eternity is becoming available to all humans and elves who already have researched the spire. ;)
But I am of course with you on this one, players who haven't yet experienced that far in chapters will probably percieve this Ancient as a bigger attraction than the players who already succeed in regulary playing the spire to the top.

For those who are looking for a greater challenge @InnoGames will implement the SBS (Spire Battle Skill) so that players like you will be able to put more attraction on the spire by slowly increasing it's difficulty. :)
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But I don't want more challenge! I like things really, really, easy. I didn't spend 9 years here to make thing harder! LOL
 
TimeMachine

TimeMachine

Well-Known Member
WooooooHooooooo! :D I've just learned how to implement hyperlinks on the good old original forum.

I've just added my very first one for the Secret Ancient Wonders to the Table of Content. By clicking on Secret Ancient Wonders one will be directly transported to that associated page of the Ancient Wonder Chronicles.
Once I will be finished we hopefully will have a nice and fast reference book. :cool:

To be honest, it took me two or three mild tantrums but now I probably know how the unknown source "programmed" his Table of Content years ago, which I percieved as my personal "Elvenar Bible" as a young baby-city fellow. You can check it out in the Ancient Wonder Chronicles.

Today I was mostly learning and teaching myself how to do this. The next days the Chronicles will be filled with content. :)

Again I would like to remind everybody that posting in the Chronicles should be a no-go.
Please put all your reactions additions and discussions about the Ancient Wonder Chronicles right here in this thread because the Chronicles are intended to solve as a reference book.
Thank you very much! ;)
 
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Spiny

Active Member
Alright, Apparently I qualify as being a veteran now. I've got some input on a Chapter 21 wonder for you. I have started building a Vallorian School of Sorcery.

When I first saw this one, I though that it would make it faster to craft recipes in the Magic Academy, which is something I like to do as much as possible to make vision vapor, which has a chance to become diamonds.

This is not quite what it does, but the actual effect that it has is honestly just as good. It boosts the speed of the "Produce" tab of the Magic Academy, which is where a substantial portion of my Combining Catalysts come from. This will allow me to convert a lot of otherwise useless relics into Combining Catalysts which I always need more of. If my Ascended relic stockpile drops enough I would still have use of the effect by converting other relics into enhancements which I can either use or disenchant for Spell Fragments to craft yet more things. At max level it should convert a 6 hour recipe to 2.4 hours. Collecting from the MA multiple times a day will be an adjustment.

Obvious synergies are Elvenar Trade Center, lighthouse of good neighborhood and Towers of Prosperity. Also has a synergy with Dragon Abbey; making more enhancements to turn into on-demand mana.

Also reduces the cost of Cauldron ingredients. Kind of meh in my opinion. Maybe the coolest potion related wonders are yet to come, its a rather new feature after all.

And it produces Vallorian guards every 3 hours. Kind of nice I guess, but certainly not what enticed me to make the thing.
 
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