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Your Elvenar Team
Chapter 16 Embassies
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pflgdpfgojdofg
Member
what am I missing? Except for the quest line, just what are the tea and beer buildings needed for? I cannot find anything that requires beer or tea.
MinMax Gamer
Well-Known Member
Um, you're missing the whole amendments production?
pflgdpfgojdofg
Member
Ah...ok thanks both of you. I havent opened those upgrades up yet, but that makes sense. I thought I was missing something.
Pheryll
Well-Known Member
They can also be used for propositions, but I agree that you get these buildings far ahead of time. Any research that requires amendments also requires the upgrade for the embassies, and you likely want to get the upgrade to the senate before the upgrade to the embassies so that you can generate enough draft laws to fit your proposition needs.
pflgdpfgojdofg
Member
Yes, thanks. I've got them, and am doing the research for the upgrades now...figure I'll be done with the first one, around Christmas! LOL
CHANDY
Member
Thank you Dave, Sad to hear that but you gave me the answer I needed.
Enevhar Aldarion
Oh Wise One
Portal profits only ever give you the goods that you have a storage limit for, no matter which chapter it is.
ChiefObie
Member
I agree - the economics of this chapter sucks. The required real estate is also pretty heavy. I'm going to use my resources to upgrade AWs and then maybe pursue the chapter at a later time. There's plenty of activity in the game that I don't need to advance through more chapters to keep active.I've got no problem with seeds. That's the upside of having all of the AW's and working on upgrading them for a few yearsIt's the Orcs that are killing me so far in chapter 16. I expect that to resolve shortly but I used up an insane amount of Orcs when the battle boosts were messed up and I catered a whole lot of the tournament. It didn't even cross my mind that this was definitely not a good time to be catering
DeletedUser2959
Guest
That's the spirit! One great thing about this game is there's no pressure to keep up with the Jones'.
MinMax Gamer
Well-Known Member
OK, so I have just finished all guest race goods requirements (with PPs) for the chapter. This took 47 days, and as anticipated I still have about 30 days to go to fill in all the KP requirements. I have to say, I like balancing of chapter 16 a lot more than for chapter 15. Ch15 was pretty stressful as a lot of production (guest races goods, sentients) was really tight with respect to KPs. I enjoyed the challenge, but I can see how that could be pretty tough for many players.
In chapter 16 production was never an issue, to say the least. Not because goods requirements are low, but because KP requirements are so high. This means that for the great many players KP will be a primary constraint - not production. Unless you're hitting 10K+ in tournaments regularly or something
This chapter may suck if you can't login often, as most production options are fairly short. That's the only real negative I can think of - for some players. But then again, with so much time needed for KPs you may take your sweet time. Requirements for orcs and regular goods are significant, but if you know about them and make some minimal preparations ahead of time (i.e. don't start chapter with zero orcs ), your regular production should be able to carry you through the chapter with no significant issues.
All in all, not a bad chapter. Improvements are not great though - MH upgrades are nice, Training Grounds upgrades are nice, residence upgrades are nice - and that's about it. Everything else is pretty meh. New AWs are... not great Ah well, perhaps something good will show up in chapter 17...
In chapter 16 production was never an issue, to say the least. Not because goods requirements are low, but because KP requirements are so high. This means that for the great many players KP will be a primary constraint - not production. Unless you're hitting 10K+ in tournaments regularly or something
This chapter may suck if you can't login often, as most production options are fairly short. That's the only real negative I can think of - for some players. But then again, with so much time needed for KPs you may take your sweet time. Requirements for orcs and regular goods are significant, but if you know about them and make some minimal preparations ahead of time (i.e. don't start chapter with zero orcs
), your regular production should be able to carry you through the chapter with no significant issues.All in all, not a bad chapter. Improvements are not great though - MH upgrades are nice, Training Grounds upgrades are nice, residence upgrades are nice - and that's about it. Everything else is pretty meh. New AWs are... not great
Ah well, perhaps something good will show up in chapter 17...PaNonymeB
Well-Known Member
Until level 3 embassies guest race goods we limiting for me. I average 5k in tournaments. However, since there are only 3 buildings (except at the very end of the first part when you need beer and tea to make amendments for L3 senate and Meditation circle), the cost in time boosters to avoid tech lock was affordable.In chapter 16 production was never an issue, to say the least. Not because goods requirements are low, but because KP requirements are so high. This means that for the great many players KP will be a primary constraint - not production. Unless you're hitting 10K+ in tournaments regularly or something
CrazyWizard
Oh Wise One
OK, so I have just finished all guest race goods requirements (with PPs) for the chapter. This took 47 days, and as anticipated I still have about 30 days to go to fill in all the KP requirements. I have to say, I like balancing of chapter 16 a lot more than for chapter 15. Ch15 was pretty stressful as a lot of production (guest races goods, sentients) was really tight with respect to KPs. I enjoyed the challenge, but I can see how that could be pretty tough for many players.
In chapter 16 production was never an issue, to say the least. Not because goods requirements are low, but because KP requirements are so high. This means that for the great many players KP will be a primary constraint - not production. Unless you're hitting 10K+ in tournaments regularly or something
This chapter may suck if you can't login often, as most production options are fairly short. That's the only real negative I can think of - for some players. But then again, with so much time needed for KPs you may take your sweet time. Requirements for orcs and regular goods are significant, but if you know about them and make some minimal preparations ahead of time (i.e. don't start chapter with zero orcs
All in all, not a bad chapter. Improvements are not great though - MH upgrades are nice, Training Grounds upgrades are nice, residence upgrades are nice - and that's about it. Everything else is pretty meh. New AWs are... not great
The main reason why I liked this approach of KP issue over goods issue is that this way the spire of eternity did not get killed.
If the chapter would be build like the elvenar chapter with constant retraint of goods the spire would have been dead for a while in the stronger fellowships as no one would have the goods left to negotiate.
We surely would see the results plummet as non fighters would be too constraint to play the spire.
Now we don't even notice anything.
T6583
Well-Known Member
I will have to agree to disagree on the balance of this chapter. While I’m not struggling for Goods in general, guest race goods have been a huge issue for me. KP so far has also not been an issue for me. In fact I’ve been tech locked several times while waiting on guest race goods. Even with using time boosters which I don’t have a lot of the smaller ones despite crafting them whenever I see them. Guest race goods have been a chore for me that has caused a lot of anger and frustration as I can’t log in every 3 hours. If it wasn’t for my wonderful FS and the friends I’ve made there’s a strong possibility that I may have quit because of how difficult it’s been with the guest race goods. My anger and frustration with this chapter has reduced slightly with upgrading the buildings and getting some longer production times but it’s still feels like an extremely unbalanced chapter for me. It almost feels like players that can’t login every 3 hrs are being penalized with this chapter.
MinMax Gamer
Well-Known Member
Yes, I have used some time boosters in the beginning, but mostly to rush to fully upgraded settlement. There was not real need to do so as I had a few available research items (e.g. City Expansion, Improved Manufactories) to sink KPs in, so most if not all timeboosters could have been avoided.
Enevhar Aldarion
Oh Wise One
I am currently working on the 8500 of each amendment for the two embassy upgrade researches that come after the Level 3 Senate research and trying to not burn a bunch of time boosters, so I am just letting the week it will take to make those amendments pass by. That gives me plenty of time to fill in KP and collect sentient goods for other techs that I can work on at the same time.
DeletedUser7791
Guest
This chapter has made my current heavy workload (and therefore fewer game visits daily) much more costly. I will slog through rather than move rapidly because of that. I guess it is payback for the times I gained on people by playing more.
Thanks everyone for all the info!
Thanks everyone for all the info!