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Chick or Egg Question

ajqtrz

Chef - loquacious Old Dog
In another thread somebody mentioned this question: Which came first, the chicken or the egg." The answer, like so many questions we face, depends on the definition or "chicken egg." If by "chicken egg" you mean an egg that contains a "chicken" and not necessarily an egg laid by a chicken, then it is likely the egg came first.

Having said that, it's also a question of what you mean by "chicken." If, say, you found an egg and in it was something that walked like a chicken, pecked like a chicken and clucked like a chicken (why does the duck always get top billing in this? (pun intended)), you'd call it a chicken. But then you'd be forced to ask if it was the offspring of something you'd call a chicken? In other words, looking at the creature who laid the egg, you have to determine if it, too, "walked like a chicken, pecked like a chicken and clucked like chicken." If it did not then the egg came first.

Now finally, if the creature who laid the egg was a chicken you can't then claim the chicken first unless you show that the creature laying the egg came from some other process. In other words, since chickens, by definition, come from eggs, you have only moved the question back one generation. Keep doing this and, eventually, you will find a creature who does not quite fit your definition of a chicken laying a egg containing a creature which does fit your definition of a chicken. Egg wins as long as your definition of "chicken egg" is an egg containing a chicken.

All of which leads to the question of how something not a chicken laid the original chicken egg. And that's a question way, way beyond the scope of this. So I'll stop here.

Hope this helps anyone get more sleep who, like me, ponders such (interesting?) questions in the dead of night.

Sorry, put this in the wrong thread. Thanks for moving it.

AJ
 
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sputnik9009

Active Member
the answer to this age old question, "which came first, the chicken or the egg?",
is... the rooster! the rooster came first!
 

ajqtrz

Chef - loquacious Old Dog
the answer to this age old question, "which came first, the chicken or the egg?",
is... the rooster! the rooster came first!
Same problem. Is the rooster a chicken? and did it come from an egg that held a chicken or a egg laid by a chicken? Same answer. ;)
 

BrinDarby

Well-Known Member
you have only moved the question back one generation.
incorrect, and here's how ....

Yes, to have a chicken, it came from an egg(chicken egg)
But, that egg(chicken egg) had to be laid by a chicken.

Since evolution has shown land animals/mamals, originally
came from the sea, AND fish laid "eggs" millions of years
before the current "chicken" variant, evolved...............
Therefore its clear, that "the egg" preceeded the "chicken".
for the simple fact that they exsisted 1st.
 

ajqtrz

Chef - loquacious Old Dog
incorrect, and here's how ....

Yes, to have a chicken, it came from an egg(chicken egg)
But, that egg(chicken egg) had to be laid by a chicken.

Since evolution has shown land animals/mamals, originally
came from the sea, AND fish laid "eggs" millions of years
before the current "chicken" variant, evolved...............
Therefore its clear, that "the egg" preceeded the "chicken".
for the simple fact that they exsisted 1st.
As you see, you have you have said the egg is a chicken egg because it contained a chicken and on the side that says the chicken because "that egg (chicken egg) had to be laid by a chicken." Is the egg a "chicken egg" because it was laid by a chicken or is it a "chicken egg" because it contains a chicken?

As for evolution, the theory puts forth the idea that the chicken came from fish and thus, you would be arguing the egg came first because there were eggs (in general) before there were chickens. I agree. If one asks "did eggs precede chickens?" But, usually the question is envisioned as the egg being a chicken egg. "Which came first, the chicken or the (chicken) egg?" This is the question most people consider when they consider the question at all. So you've done a great job of answering the question by changing the implied definition of "egg" in it. Cool!

AJ
 

BrinDarby

Well-Known Member
@ajqtrz ,

Now, Semantically .....
"which came 1st, the chicken or the egg"
100% the egg was around long before
chickens were ( via evolution )

Isn't this why most ppl ( not me ) hated
those darn word problems in math.....
Yet didn't seem to realize, most problems
begin as word problems and in all aspects
of life, not just math.

Just as in a math problem, the setup is the key.
doing the actual math is the simple part. So,
do we fault the Q by not being specific enuff,
ie- egg not chicken egg, or by being too specific
if taken semantically ??

ask a scientist, answer is "an egg"
ask a catholic preacher, answer is "a chicken".
 

sputnik9009

Active Member
ask a scientist, answer is "an egg"
ask a catholic preacher, answer is "a chicken".
ask a flakey hippie, answer is " the rooster "
does a unfertilized egg develop?
apply science to that and you get " the rooster " fertilizing the egg

and from a mathematical view point i see this as a need to be
 
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