Nerwa
Well-Known Member
Or possibly because no one's around to complain if you start fires, eh? Purely for corn-popping purposes, of course!
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City movement
- Thread starter helya
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Or possibly because no one's around to complain if you start fires, eh? Purely for corn-popping purposes, of course!
crackie
Chef, Scroll-Keeper, Buddy's #1 Fan
I didn't start any fires. I dutifully worked on my arts and crafts assignment and just wanted to play with free rope! You are confusing the bright, angelic glow of my halo with the aftermath of Buddy's pyro-tendencies. Second on the arson list is that @muffy.
Socrates28
Well-Known Member
I do understand that boosts must be matched, but that is only after some other criteria(s) have been met. I am asking what those criteria(s) are? Number of trades taken, given, or ratio of them to each other in some form, visits to neighbors (non-FS) as well as FS members, or what? While exact criteria would really be enlightening, I am not expecting that to be disclosed, but general guidelines and how they relate to each other would be helpful.
Lady Dastardly
Well-Known Member
I seriously doubt that there IS any other criteria beyond being "active" (which I believe is defined as logging in to the game within a certain period of time) and distance from the center.
Kadhrin
Well-Known Member
Couple of things I've noticed from my corner of the map.
* Yes, new-ish cities do get started out here or moved out here. One of them got started even further out than I am. Fortunately for him, he got moved after a few weeks. And there is a newborn city (as in it's got one residence, one workshop, etc) that replaced a mine due east of me.
* It isn't just the trader that's the difficulty with frontier cities. It's scouting, too. The closest 30 provinces for scouting are on the sides that are inactive players and mines. The difference in cost of scouting in the desert vs active areas is 600 k, and five hours scouting time.
* My other two cities, a full chapter behind my frontier city, get a lot of neighbor visits. The frontier city gets the fellowship and usually the regulars. I get nine pages of notifications there; the other cities get 15-17 pages.
Yes, there are folks in worse map positions. It still gets discouraging.
* Yes, new-ish cities do get started out here or moved out here. One of them got started even further out than I am. Fortunately for him, he got moved after a few weeks. And there is a newborn city (as in it's got one residence, one workshop, etc) that replaced a mine due east of me.
* It isn't just the trader that's the difficulty with frontier cities. It's scouting, too. The closest 30 provinces for scouting are on the sides that are inactive players and mines. The difference in cost of scouting in the desert vs active areas is 600 k, and five hours scouting time.
* My other two cities, a full chapter behind my frontier city, get a lot of neighbor visits. The frontier city gets the fellowship and usually the regulars. I get nine pages of notifications there; the other cities get 15-17 pages.
Yes, there are folks in worse map positions. It still gets discouraging.
Socrates28
Well-Known Member
I believe that is not correct as trading certainly seems to be a criteria to be met in the "move" process. I could be wrong, which is why I asked for clarification of just what those "rules" are.
Zoof
Well-Known Member
If trading is part of the criteria for moving, I'm now wondering what parts of it is considered. "Active" trade in terms of completed transactions (either accept existing or posting and having had accepted) would be rather self-defeating if that's the requirement since it's rather hard to get takers when half (or more) of your trading partners are mysterious and mysteriously chatty dark tentacle monsters camping in gold mines.
If the criteria is simply having your own trade requests languish in the trader for all of eternity while said tentacle monsters are sniffing at them curiously like a dog at a fire hydrant, then... maybe?
Or maybe what those monsters are doing to your fire hydrant-shaped pile of steel after sniffing it is what's turning off potential buyers. We might never know. Word of advice: Don't pet them, no matter how many puppy-eyes they bring to the table
If the criteria is simply having your own trade requests languish in the trader for all of eternity while said tentacle monsters are sniffing at them curiously like a dog at a fire hydrant, then... maybe?
Lemon Wren
Well-Known Member
All I know is that after getting moved many months ago to a much better spot than I had before, this neighborhood is increasingly getting filled with gold mines. At first I discovered them to the south when I scouted south, but now they are moving up and replacing provinces that once held cities. I'm in a great FS, so my trades never linger, but it does make me wonder what's going on in the meta.
samidodamage
Buddy Fan Club member
I think @Lady Dastardly is correct, unless something has changed very recently. The 'Great Migration' move in Nov 2021 was to handle a glitch in the system where the cities were not being moved that should have been. That uncovered a serious issue with players who had the 'do not move' checked for their city (they were left in the weeds when the players around them moved). So, they removed that choice from players. Now, everything technical seems to work on the weekly Monday moves.
Nothing was ever said about changing how the auto move system looks for 'active' vs 'inactive' cities. In the past we were told (and it was on the Support site under FAQ's):
To determine a city is inactive: it looks first at last player log in, then the size of the city (ex: Ch3, Ch6, Ch19), then if it belongs to an account that has purchased diamonds that remain in the inventory. While they have tweaked these requirements some, cities remain that are protected from deletion. Since we all know of such cities that are not doing any trading/visiting etc, it's hard to see how they would remain protected if trading was included in the definition of 'active'.
Once/week, the system checks open spots on the map. For a specific set of boosts available the system looks for an active city in the farthest rings from city center with those boosts, then moves it to the open spot. I've never been sure if the system starts with open spots closest to the center or in some other fashion.
Still, nothing has ever been said about tracking anything a player does while in-game to define 'active'. One of those 'protected' cities would still qualify as 'active'. Trading, neighborly visits, none of those things (AFAIK) are taken into account.
Nothing was ever said about changing how the auto move system looks for 'active' vs 'inactive' cities. In the past we were told (and it was on the Support site under FAQ's):
To determine a city is inactive: it looks first at last player log in, then the size of the city (ex: Ch3, Ch6, Ch19), then if it belongs to an account that has purchased diamonds that remain in the inventory. While they have tweaked these requirements some, cities remain that are protected from deletion. Since we all know of such cities that are not doing any trading/visiting etc, it's hard to see how they would remain protected if trading was included in the definition of 'active'.
Once/week, the system checks open spots on the map. For a specific set of boosts available the system looks for an active city in the farthest rings from city center with those boosts, then moves it to the open spot. I've never been sure if the system starts with open spots closest to the center or in some other fashion.
Still, nothing has ever been said about tracking anything a player does while in-game to define 'active'. One of those 'protected' cities would still qualify as 'active'. Trading, neighborly visits, none of those things (AFAIK) are taken into account.
ajqtrz
Chef - loquacious Old Dog
@helya But wouldn't it be better if they based in on number of donated cookies? Chocolate chip gets an extra point. Then, if you wanted to be moved you could just get some Famous Amos and be moved. If you didn't you'd send some dried out oatmeal raisin. It sure beats having or not having the check box telling them NOT to move your city. Maybe I should put this in the suggestions box.
AJ
AJ
Enevhar Aldarion
Oh Wise One
In before the conspiracy people start theorizing on just what counts as "activity", beyond just logging into the city at least once a month, that is.
helya
Beloved Ex-Team Member
Only if the cookie donations come directly to me. And raisins in cookies get you moved into the abyss.
Socrates28
Well-Known Member
Thank you for that clarification @helya
helya
Beloved Ex-Team Member
I'm not a coconut fan, but thin mints would have to get a bonus for sure.
Kadhrin
Well-Known Member
I got moved! Yay!
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Willie B. Gone
Member
@helya - just wanted to say thank you. My city was moved this last week and visitation and trades have really picked up. For those of you that were saying to look on the bright side - as far as I could see there was not one. I ran all of my neighbors names to the south of my city through elvenstats and out of 70 + names - there were about 5 that were not being shown as inactive. Same results were obtained to the east of my city. Out of the 140+ neighbors that I had - there were less than 20 that returned visits or were active in the trader. It did kind of remind me of when I started this game - very few visitors or trading partners and I can also see why so many leave this game as a result of that. You just can not progress without good help. So once again - Thank you @helya !!