Looking Considering a new fellowship

[Spiny]

Suddenly a significant portion of my current fellowship has left, which has me considering a new fellowship.
Feel kind of weird posting this so shortly after posting a recruitment thread for my current fellowship though.

Here are what I consider the most important metrics about me:
- I am consistently able to get to the top of the Spire of Eternity each week
- My tournament score tends to fluctuate, typically between 4,000 and 6,000. (These number are pre-Azure Phoenix)
- I provide neighbourly help on most (But not quite all) days.
- My fellowship adventure contributions are not particularly great in my own opinion.

In order for me to consider joining a fellowship, it should meet the following requirements:
- Should be able to get the gold on most if not all weeks. I want my diamonds.
- Must be able to get at minimum 10 chests each tournament. 14+ is ideal
- There must be no restrictions on what trades I put up. I do one star trades and have no intention on stopping.

I will post again in this thread when I am no longer considering a new fellowship.

 

[RobinAllen]

I do one star trades and have no intention on stopping.

Yes, many players have noticed you consistently flood it with 1 star trades. That strategy must really work for you. Do you have other players that always help you with those kind of trades or you just don't mind always going over board on that?

Its good when players need help sometimes and that's the great thing about having a fellowship that helps other players with 1 star or zero star trades, but doing it all the time seems like taking advantage way too much just to do better in your game, which then means you can't do as good as you say you do without the constant generosity of others.

 

[Spiny]

Many of the trades go untaken, and the ones that are taken are done so mostly by players that I do not know. I don't track the data too closely, but over the past few days it looks like in a typical day one can expect to trade 2.5 million in goods at an 11% markup. There is a considerable amount of variance in the buyers.

I also disagree with the notion of it being 'selfish' to do so. At no point is anyone obligated to take any trade, and 1 or 0 star trades all go to the end of the list so it doesn't even get in the way. Any trade option, no matter how bad, is better than not having an option to trade at all. 2 star and higher trades tend to be picked up pretty quickly, but may not be available in large quantities when needed, for example, when spire negotiation is not going so well.

Each player can have up to 60 trades up at a time, so I use them to post one star trades.

 

[hvariidh gwendrot]

i agree about the not obligated part, but i've taken a few by mistake, and have learned to slow my roll with you on the trader as they seem to be designed to catch folks off gaurd vs "generosity" lol and 99.999% of the +1 kp's on wonders get bumped off rewards chest, at least you're honest about it vs getting recruited then posting a bunch of trades after, it motivates me to post a bunch of smaller equal trades for folks .. but isn't this all off topic / cross talk in a recruiting post ?

 

[ajqtrz]

Many of the trades go untaken, and the ones that are taken are done so mostly by players that I do not know. I don't track the data too closely, but over the past few days it looks like in a typical day one can expect to trade 2.5 million in goods at an 11% markup. There is a considerable amount of variance in the buyers.

I also disagree with the notion of it being 'selfish' to do so. At no point is anyone obligated to take any trade, and 1 or 0 star trades all go to the end of the list so it doesn't even get in the way. Any trade option, no matter how bad, is better than not having an option to trade at all. 2 star and higher trades tend to be picked up pretty quickly, but may not be available in large quantities when needed, for example, when spire negotiation is not going so well.

Each player can have up to 60 trades up at a time, so I use them to post one star trades.

As one of the few, formal "Open Trades" fellowships, we have no rules and no penalty for trades of any kind. On the other hand, my method works well enough for me, but it's the opposite of yours. I always put up 3 star trades at a 2% discount. And I only produce steel for my basic goods (I have, right now 13 of them cranking away). This, obviously, gives me a real surplus for which I trade as stated, and makes others appreciate my presence in the market. I count it as building a positive reputation. Sadly, some players do click a bit fast and take trades they really don't want (one and zero star trades). This is annoying to them and, like most humans, they want to blame somebody else for their mistakes. Sigh. The only way to avoid their ire is not put the temptation in their path, which would be, I would think, a thoughtful approach. But since we are not required to be thoughtful, it's up to you.

Just my view and nothing more

AJ

 

[Glandeh]

This makes me wish for an option to block players from your trader. Just like you can select fellowship trades only.

 

[Grishnak]

@Spiny I have had good luck using elvenstats.com to find fellowships that are active, and then looking up those fellowships in-game to find their description, which often states whether they have rules regarding trades. Based on what you said you can offer a fellowship, I'd guess you could easily get a spot in a top-25 FS (on my server at least, I guess your server could be different).

You can use in-game tools to find active fellowships as well, and elvenstats does have some quirks (I guess it was never updated to handle more than 10 chests). But I find elvenstats a better tool for starting my search for a fellowship.

 

[Darielle]

I also disagree with the notion of it being 'selfish' to do so. At no point is anyone obligated to take any trade, and 1 or 0 star trades all go to the end of the list so it doesn't even get in the way. Any trade option, no matter how bad, is better than not having an option to trade at all. 2 star and higher trades tend to be picked up pretty quickly, but may not be available in large quantities when needed, for example, when spire negotiation is not going so well.

I'd say 80 percent of the time (based on my acquaintances and personal experience) people take trades accidentally ... sometimes the trading board jumps to another page while you are trying to take a bunch of little trades, and you accidentally click on the wrong trade. Or the computer lags and what you see is not actually what you are clicking on, or sometimes you're just not paying careful enough attention, and then you kick yourself afterward.

There are two kinds of one-star traders, in my opinion. The ones who prey upon people's accidental clicks, hoping that someone will make a mistake, and the ones who trade in goods that are short in the market. For example, if the market consistently runs short of gems because too many people's boosts are elixir and dust, and someone decides to offer gems for a higher premium, then I think they are doing a valuable service to players. After all, if someone desperately needs it and the trader never has it, then you are helping people by offering it at less than what they'd pay from the wholesaler.

If you offer things that anyone can get for 1 star consistently, then you may fall into the first group. I look carefully to see which group someone falls into most often. If they fall into the first group, then I try to avoid dealing with them entirely, even if they have 2 star. But that's just me, and I kind of live and let live on the subject.

 

[Darielle]

As one of the few, formal "Open Trades" fellowships, we have no rules and no penalty for trades of any kind. On the other hand, my method works well enough for me, but it's the opposite of yours. I always put up 3 star trades at a 2% discount. And I only produce steel for my basic goods (I have, right now 13 of them cranking away). This, obviously, gives me a real surplus for which I trade as stated, and makes others appreciate my presence in the market. I count it as building a positive reputation. Sadly, some players do click a bit fast and take trades they really don't want (one and zero star trades). This is annoying to them and, like most humans, they want to blame somebody else for their mistakes. Sigh. The only way to avoid their ire is not put the temptation in their path, which would be, I would think, a thoughtful approach. But since we are not required to be thoughtful, it's up to you.

Just my view and nothing more

AJ

I do the same thing, most of the time, and I find it has worked perfectly well for me. And I agree with your philosophy on trades, AJ.

 

[Spiny]

I'm... Just going to go on record saying that as of now I am not currently considering a new fellowship and close this thread down.

If you want to yell at me about my trades or whatever, feel free to make a new thread about that.