Does anyone understand Training Speed

[KarlD]

Does training speed have a unit of measure? If I double my training speed does my time to create a given number of troops get cut in half?
Does my Barracks training speed have the same unit of measure as my Training ground and Mercenary Camp, assuming there is a unit of measure?
I ask because I have the following data and it makes no sense to me.

Description	Basic Training Speed	AW Power	Increased Training Speed	Time to Train one Training Size
Level 13 Needles (Level 33 Barracks)	350	+50%	525	1hr57
Level 13 Victory Springs (Level 24 Training Ground)	370	+50%	555	1hr50
Level 13 Flying Academy (Level 16 Merc Camp)	350	+50%	525	1hr50

My Barracks has a training speed of 525 and makes a training size of troops in 1hr57 while my Merc Camp with the same size takes only 1hr50. Then my Training Ground has a training speed of 555 and also takes 1hr50. I don't know what I should be expecting. I could have sworn that my training time for my Barracks was 1hr58 before I upgraded my Needles to level 13 and expected it to drop to 1hr50 like the others, but it dropped to 1hr57, which is virtually no change. It appears that training speed is a unitless number that gives no meaningful information other than that higher is faster. But I'd much appreciate if someone who understands it could give some information about how training speed could be used to calculate anything. Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[MaloogaLooga]

I don't know how they came up with this, but training speed works out to be the number of troops that are trained in 12 minutes.

 

[Deleted User - 3932582]

I don't know how they came up with this, but training speed works out to be the number of troops that are trained in 12 minutes.

Wasn't the very first Barrack at L1 training 1 (one) unit like a swordsman in 12 minutes (so 5 in an hour), thus representing minimal possible production speed?

 

[KarlD]

I don't know how they came up with this, but training speed works out to be the number of troops that are trained in 12 minutes.

Thanks for your response, but I'm not finding that to be the case in my city. I'm getting different training times even for the same training speed.

 

[Pheryll]

Thanks for your response, but I'm not finding that to be the case in my city. I'm getting different training times even for the same training speed.

Are you factoring in unit size?

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Level 37 Barracks and a level 9 Needles give me a training speed of 619. This translates into a time of 2 hours and 4 minutes with my training size of 6438 per slot. Base training speed for level 37 Barracks is 450, so when I get my Needles to level 11 also, the bonus speed will go from +37.5% to +45%, or another 7.5% increase in training speed of 34 points to a 653 training speed. How much that will reduce my training time from 2 hours and 4 minutes, I have no idea for now. But nothing in my training size will change before I get my Needles to level 10, so I will see what that +2.5% does for me, and that will tell me what the +5% for level 11 should do to the actual training time.

 

[KarlD]

Are you factoring in unit size?

I looked at the training times for the units with a size of 1, so cerberus, archers, and rangers.

 

[KarlD]

Level 37 Barracks and a level 9 Needles give me a training speed of 619. This translates into a time of 2 hours and 4 minutes with my training size of 6438 per slot. Base training speed for level 37 Barracks is 450, so when I get my Needles to level 11 also, the bonus speed will go from +37.5% to +45%, or another 7.5% increase in training speed of 34 points to a 653 training speed. How much that will reduce my training time from 2 hours and 4 minutes, I have no idea for now. But nothing in my training size will change before I get my Needles to level 10, so I will see what that +2.5% does for me, and that will tell me what the +5% for level 11 should do to the actual training time.

What are the training speeds and training times for your Merc Camp and Training Grounds? Do you get different training times for the same training speed?

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

What are the training speeds and training times for your Merc Camp and Training Grounds? Do you get different training times for the same training speed?

Mercenary Camp is not max level yet, though the Training Grounds is, and their supporting AWs are lower levels than the Needle, so they will not give roughly equal times the way yours are.

 

[DeletedUser2959]

Speaking only for myself: No. I tried, I really did, but it makes no sense to me. I do know that when I level an AW that boosts training speed my training time goes down, but that's it.

 

[Ashrem]

@Jackluyt posted some numbers on Facebook at one time, including the below chart (note: it does not include speed ups from sources:
Analysis of the chart indicates that time in seconds to train a single troop is 720/speed. Whether that continues to be true is beyond the scope of this post.

 

[Ashrem]

Actually confirmed on my account. With a training speed of 458, my time to train a single troop is 1.57205240 seconds. With a training size of 6,396, my training time per squad should be ~168 minutes, which is 2 hours and 47 minutes, as identified in my queue. (note that "Collection Bonus" is extraneous to my training size and speed. it is added at the end, and not part of the calculations.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Alright, got my Needles to level 11 and with my level 37 barracks, I have a training time for a full slot of 1 hour and 58 minutes. So every 2.5% increase from leveling up the Needles dropped the time by 2 minutes. The 2.5% increase in speed going from level 9 to level 10 decreased the time by 2 minutes and the 5% increase going from level 10 to level 11 decreased it by 4 minutes. From this I would expect if my Needles were level 13 like yours, my training time would be 1 hour and 54 minutes, because of the 2.5%=2 minutes reduction for me.

 

[Deleted User - 1178646]

I have the formula in my Excel sheet but it will take a few hours before I have access to it.

 

[Deleted User - 1178646]

Barracks	Speed		Mercenary Camp	Speed		Training Grounds	Speed		Boostwonder level	Boost
									0	1
1	1		1	59		1	3		1	1.15
2	2		2	71		2	5		2	1.175
3	3		3	84		3	7		3	1.2
4	5		4	98		4	11		4	1.225
5	5		5	113		5	17		5	1.25
6	6		6	129		6	23		6	1.3
7	7		7	146		7	31		7	1.325
8	9		8	164		8	49		8	1.35
9	11		9	184		9	71		9	1.375
10	14		10	200		10	98		10	1.4
11	17		11	230		11	113		11	1.45
12	20		12	250		12	129		12	1.475
13	23		13	270		13	146		13	1.5
14	27		14	300		14	164		14	1.525
15	31		15	320		15	184		15	1.55
16	39		16	350		16	200		16	1.6
17	49		17	385		17	230		17	1.625
18	59		18	405		18	250		18	1.65
19	71		19	425		19	270		19	1.675
20	84		20	450		20	300		20	1.7
21	98					21	320		21	1.75
22	113					22	350		22	1.775
23	129					23	360		23	1.8
24	146					24	370		24	1.825
25	164								25	1.85
26	184								26	1.9
27	200								27	1.925
28	230								28	1.95
29	250								29	1.975
30	270								30	2
31	300
32	320
33	350
34	385
35	405
36	425
37	450

Unit production time per weight* (in seconds) = 720 / (speed production building * boost boostwonder)
*Multiply this number by the weight of the unit produced (between 1 and 6 depending on the unit)

As for training time per training slot multiply the unit production time per weight with your training size to get a final number

 

[Pheryll]

@CrazyWizard, do your files from data mining show the decreased training speed boost that the wiki reports for the last 5 levels of victory springs?

 

[Deleted User - 1178646]

Actually all data can be found at the wiki, and I used this data to build a calculator for myself and my guildmates.
It wasn't datamined, I got to lazy

All wonders give the same boostbonusses, since I checked that in game, so I opened one wonder on the wiki grabbed the data and did not look up the other wonders. thats why I never noticed the error on the wiki at victory springs

It's in dutch but the picture should make sense, its 100% at level 30.

If you are ever in doubt of the wiki, check elvenarchitect, thats uses an automated datamine so it's always accurate

 

[Pheryll]

Actually all data can be found at the wiki, and I used this data to build a calculator for myself and my guildmates.

The reason I thought that you data-mined was that your website (http://crazywizard.info/en/index-en.html) had wonders up to level 30 before elvenarchitect and before these higher levels were released.

 

[Ashrem]

The reason I thought that you data-mined was that your website (http://crazywizard.info/en/index-en.html) had wonders up to level 30 before elvenarchitect and before these higher levels were released.

I think it's a bit more explicit than that:

 

[Deleted User - 1178646]

The reason I thought that you data-mined was that your website (http://crazywizard.info/en/index-en.html) had wonders up to level 30 before elvenarchitect and before these higher levels were released.

True, but at that time there was no real use for calculating training time, only recently that became a thing so I build a training calculator.
Since I needed the wiki for the barracks / mercenary camp and training grounds anyway, it was just as easy to grab the wonder data there as well.

I think it's a bit more explicit than that:
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thats a long long time ago