Event Quest calibration

[Deleted User - 312108]

Like many folks I have been playing through the Mermaid Summer event on beta and now on live. While I like the idea of endless quests, I am frustrated by the implementation and the repetitive nature of many of the quests. I also dislike the frequency with which things like Gain CC and Vision vapor appear.
Notes
For factories - the base goods run will be 4 factory runs, multiples above that will increase the expense.
For workshops - the base supply run will be 6 workshops, multiples above that will increase the expense.
For troop recruitment - unit base expense will be the equivalent of 3 armories + max level barracks assumption and be figured as 1/4 unit, 1/2 unit, 1 unit, 2 units worth of recruit (any source) or production (barrack etc creation)
Supplies - definitions I will use will be based on the maximum level chapter workshop the player is in multiplied by a number of workshop productions.
Coins - definition I will use will be based on the maximum level chapter residence the player is in multiplied by a number of residences and assuming a maximum coin gather.
Frequency - this is the recommended times the quest should occur.
Currency valuation will depend upon the relative expense and vary between 18 - 84
Relative Expense
Free - this is almost no effort and very little time
Minimal - these cost a little time and gold or supplies or limited goods
Moderate - these cost a reasonable amount of time and some goods
Expensive - these cost a high amount of gold/supplies, goods or time (24 hour run)
Very Expensive - these cost a high amount of goods, time, or relics (48 hour run)
In theory the quests would vary between expense and frequency - a selection of free, minimal, moderate, expensive, and very expensive in a given run based on frequency and one time quests only occurring once.
Example: (In any order)
Give Neighborly Help 3 times
Accept 1 Player or Wholesaler trade offer
Gain 700 Supplies
Produce [Tier 1 Boost] [3 hrs] 4 times
Produce Beverages 3 times
Recruit a unit
Gain 10 KP
Produce [Tier 1 Boost] [9 hrs] 6 times
Gain Coins – x20 Residence
Recruit 1 unit Heavy range
Gain or use factory enchantments 1 time
Gain 6 Enchantment items
Produce Beverages 15 times
Accept 4 Player or Wholesaler trade offers
The total value of my list is less than the current, but given they are theoretically endless and there are limits on how often some of the more expensive quests can occur the values may be too high yet.


Revised quest list in next post (length issues)

 

[Deleted User - 312108]

Part 1

Quest Name	Suggested Frequency	Relative Expense	Original Currency Value	Suggested Currency Value
Accept 1 Player or Wholesaler trade offer	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Minimal	30	20
Accept 4 Player or Wholesaler trade offers	1 per 3 days	Minimal	60	30
Buy 15 Knowledge Points	1 per 5 days	Moderate	54	40
Buy 15 Knowledge Points	None	Moderate	60	0
Complete 1 Province	1 per 5 days	Moderate	36	40
Complete 1 Province	None	Moderate	51	0
Complete 2 Provinces	1 per 10 days	Expensive	57	75
Complete 2 Provinces	None	Expensive	62	0
Complete 2 Provinces	None	Expensive	64	0
Gain 1 Combining Catalyst or Gain 7 Relics	Once	Very Expensive	36	70
Gain 1 Combining Catalyst or Gain 9 Relics	Once	Very Expensive	51	75
Gain 11 Vision Vapor	Once	Very Expensive	62	75
Gain 15 Vision Vapor	Once	Very Expensive	64	80
Gain 2 Combining Catalysts or Gain 12 Relics	Once	Very Expensive	60	80
Gain 2 Combining Catalysts or Gain 14 Relics	Once	Very Expensive	62	84
Gain 3 Enchantment items	1 per 5 days	Moderate	42	40
Gain 3 Enchantment items	None	Moderate	51	0
Gain 300 Spell Fragments	1 per 5 days	Expensive	42	50
Gain 4 Enchantment items	1 per 5 days	Moderate	57	45
Gain 400 Spell Fragments	1 per 5 days	Expensive	48	55
Gain 400 Spell Fragments	None	Expensive	51	0
Gain 5 Vision Vapor	1 per 10 days	Expensive	42	55
Gain 5 Vision Vapor	None	Expensive	48	0
Gain 500 Spell Fragments	1 per 10 days	Very Expensive	54	60
Gain 6 Enchantment items	Once	Very Expensive	64	64
Gain 600 Spell Fragments	Once	Very Expensive	57	60
Gain 7 Vision Vapor	Once	Very Expensive	51	65
Gain 700 Spell Fragments	Once	Very Expensive	62	65
Gain 700 Supplies	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Minimal	30	20
Gain 9 Vision Vapor	Once	Very Expensive	60	70
Gain 900 Spell Fragments	Once	Very Expensive	64	75
Gain a big amount of Supplies	None	Minimal	54	0
Gain a big amount of Supplies	None	Minimal	60	0
Gain a fair amount of Coins	None	Minimal	30	0
Gain a huge amount of Coins	None	Minimal	42	0
Gain a huge amount of Coins	None	Minimal	54	0
Gain a huge amount of Coins	None	Minimal	62	0
Gain a tiny amount of [Tier 1 Boost]	None	Minimal	30	0
Gain or use enchantments 1 time	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Minimal	30	20
Gain Supplies	None	Minimal	42	0
Give Neighborly Help 3 times	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Free	48	18
Invest 10 Knowledge Points into any kind of Ancient Wonder	1 per 10 days	Moderate	36	36

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[Deleted User - 312108]

Quest Name	Suggested Frequency	Relative Expense	Original Currency Value	Suggested Currency Value
Invest 20 Knowledge Points into your Ancient Wonder or invest 20 Knowledge Points into another player’s Ancient Wonder or buy 10 Knowledge Points	1 per 10 days	Expensive	51	51
Invest 25 Knowledge Points into your Ancient Wonder or invest 25 Knowledge Points into another player’s Ancient Wonder	Once	Expensive	57	60
Invest 30 Knowledge Points into your Ancient Wonder or invest 30 Knowledge Points into another player’s Ancient Wonder	Once	Very Expensive	62	65
Invest 40 Knowledge Points into your Ancient Wonder or invest 40 Knowledge Points into another player’s Ancient Wonder	Once	Very Expensive	64	75
Move 1 building	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Free	30	18
Place 2 trade offers	1 per 5 days	Free	30	25
Place 3 trade offers	1 per 5 days	Free	57	30
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 1 day 3 times	1 per 5 days	Expensive	36	30
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 1 day 4 times	1 per 10 days	Expensive	48	40
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 1 day 4 times	None	Expensive	54	0
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 1 day 4 times	None	Expensive	64	0
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 1 day 6 times	1 per 10 days	Very Expensive	62	60
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 1 day 7 times	Once	Very Expensive	57	70
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 1 day 9 times	Once	Very Expensive	64	84
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 2 days 3 times	1 per 10 days	Very Expensive	57	60
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 2 days 5 times	Once	Very Expensive	64	84
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 3 hrs 4 times	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Minimal	36	20
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 3 hrs 5 times	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Moderate	42	25
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 3 hrs 5 times	None	Minimal	48	0
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 3 hrs 5 times	None	Minimal	57	0
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 3 hrs 5 times	None	Minimal	64	0
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 3 hrs 6 times	1 per 5 days	Minimal	54	35
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 3 hrs 7 times	1 per 5 days	Expensive	64	40
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 3 hrs 8 times	1 per 5 days	Moderate	62	50
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 9 hrs 3 times	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Moderate	36	35
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 9 hrs 4 times	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Expensive	48	40
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 9 hrs 5 times	1 per 5 days	Expensive	36	50
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 9 hrs 6 times	1 per 5 days	Expensive	57	55
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 9 hrs 7 times	1 per 5 days	Expensive	62	60
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 9 hrs 8 times	1 per 5 days	Very Expensive	54	70
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 9 hrs 9 times	1 per 10 days	Very Expensive	64	80
Produce Advanced Tools 5 times	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Minimal	42	25
Produce Advanced Tools 6 times	1 per 5 days	Minimal	54	30
Produce Advanced Tools 6 times	None	Minimal	60	0
Produce Advanced Tools 7 times	1 per 5 days	Moderate	62	45
Produce Advanced Tools 8 times	1 per 10 days	Moderate	51	55
Produce Advanced Tools 9 times	1 per 10 days	Moderate	60	65
Produce Basket of Groceries 4 times	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Moderate	42	40
Produce Basket of Groceries 5 Times	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Moderate	36	50
Produce Basket of Groceries 5 times	None	Moderate	51	0
Produce Basket of Groceries 5 times	None	Moderate	62	0
Produce Basket of Groceries 6 times	1 per 10 days	Moderate	48	60
Produce Basket of Groceries 6 times	None	Expensive	54	0
Produce Basket of Groceries 8 times	1 per 10 days	Expensive	60	80
Produce Beverages 13 times	1 per 5 days	Minimal	54	30
Produce Beverages 15 times	1 per 5 days	Minimal	54	40
Produce Beverages 15 times	1 per 5 days	Minimal	62	50
Produce Beverages 25 times	1 per 10 days	Moderate	64	60
Produce Beverages 3 times	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Minimal	30	18
Produce Beverages 5 times	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Minimal	36	20
Produce Bread 6 times	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Minimal	42	30
Produce Bread 6 times	None	Minimal	51	0
Produce Bread 7 times	1 per 5 days	Moderate	48	35
Produce Bread 7 times	None	Moderate	54	0
Produce Bread 7 times	None	Moderate	60	0
Produce Bread 9 times	1 per 5 days	Moderate	62	40
Produce Simple Tools 15 times	1 per 5 days	Moderate	60	35
Produce Simple Tools 19 times	1 per 10 days	Moderate	64	45
Produce Simple Tools 5 times	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Minimal	30	20
Produce Simple Tools 7 times	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Moderate	51	25
Produce Toolboxes 5 times	1 per 5 days	Expensive	62	65
Recruit a stack of Units	None	Moderate	36	0
Recruit a stack of Units	None	Moderate	54	0
Recruit a stack of Units	None	Moderate	60	0
Recruit a stack of Units	None	Moderate	64	0
Research 1 technology or Upgrade 2 buildings to level 14 or higher	1 per 5 days	Very Expensive	42	50
Research 1 technology or Upgrade 2 buildings to level 14 or higher	None		54	0
Research 1 technology or Upgrade 2 buildings to level 16 or higher	1 per 5 days	Very Expensive	62	65
Scout 1 Province or Upgrade 1 building to level 14 or higher	1 per 5 days	Very Expensive	48	50
Scout 1 Province or Upgrade 2 buildings to level 16 or higher	1 per 5 days	Very Expensive	57	65
Scout 1 Province or Upgrade 2 buildings to level 16 or higher	None	Very Expensive	64	0
Solve 10 Encounters or Solve 50 Tournament Encounters	Once	Very Expensive	64	84
Solve 3 Encounters or Solve 15 Tournament Encounters	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Moderate	42	40
Solve 4 Encounters or Solve 20 Tournament Encounters	1 per 5 days	Moderate	48	45
Solve 5 Encounters or Solve 25 Tournament Encounters	1 per 5 days	Expensive	51	50

 

[Deleted User - 312108]

Quest Name	Suggested Frequency	Relative Expense	Original Currency Value	Suggested Currency Value
Solve 6 Encounters or Solve 30 Tournament Encounters	1 per 10 days	Expensive	60	60
Solve 7 Encounters or Solve 35 Tournament Encounters	1 per 10 days	Very Expensive	62	65
Spend 10 Knowledge Points	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Minimal	36	30
Spend 15 Knowledge Points	1 per 5 days	Moderate	48	40
Spend 20 Knowledge Points	1 per 5 days	Moderate	54	50
Spend 20 Knowledge Points	None	Expensive	57	0
Spend 25 Knowledge Points	1 per 10 days	Expensive	60	60
Spend 30 Knowledge Points	1 per 10 days	Very Expensive	64	70
Spend 30 Knowledge Points	None	Very Expensive	64	80
Use 1 pet food or Use enchantments 1 time	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Moderate	42	40
Use Pet Food 2 times or Use enchantments 2 times	1 per 5 days	Expensive	57	60
Complete 3 Provinces	Once	Very Expensive	0	84
Gain 5 Enchantment items	1 per 5 days	Expensive	0	55
Gain Supplies – 3x 3hour workshop run	1 per 5 days	Minimal	0	25
Gain Supplies – 3x 9hour workshop run	1 per 5 days	Minimal	0	50
Gain Coins – x3 Residence	1 per 5 days	Minimal	0	25
Gain Coins – x5 Residence	1 per 5 days	Minimal	0	35
Gain Coins – x10 Residence	1 per 10 days	Minimal	0	45
Gain Coins – x20 Residence	1 per 10 days	Minimal	0	55
Gain Coins – x30 Residence	1 per 10 days	Minimal	0	65
GainTier 1 Boost 3hrx1	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Minimal	0	20
GainTier 1 Boost 3hrx3	1 per 5 days	Minimal	0	25
GainTier 1 Boost 3hrx5	1 per 5 days	Minimal	0	30
GainTier 1 Boost 3hrx15	1 per 10 days	Minimal	0	50
Gain or use workshop enchantments 1 time	Once	Moderate	0	25
Gain or use culture enchantments 1 time	Once	Moderate	0	25
Gain or use factory enchantments 1 time	Once	Moderate	0	25
Gain or use coin rain enchantments 1 time	Once	Moderate	0	25
Gain or use Supply Windfall enchantments 1 time	Once	Moderate	0	25
Invest 3 Knowledge Points into any kind of Ancient Wonder or spend 5 KP	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Free	0	18
Invest 5 Knowledge Points into any kind of Ancient Wonder or spend 7 KP	1 per 5 days	Minimal	0	25
Invest 7 Knowledge Points into any kind of Ancient Wonder or spend 10 KP	1 per 10 days	Minimal	0	30
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 1 day 5 times	1 per 10 days	Very Expensive	0	50
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 1 day 8 times	Once	Very Expensive	0	80
Produce Tier 1 Boost - 2 days 4 times	Once	Very Expensive	0	75
Recruit a unit	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Moderate	0	20
Recruit 2 units	1 per 5 days	Moderate	0	30
Recruit 3 units	1 per 5 days	Moderate	0	40
Recruit 5 units	1 per 10 days	Expensive	0	50
Recruit 1 unit light melee	1 per 10 days	Moderate	0	25
recruit 1 unit light range	1 per 10 days	Moderate	0	25
Recruit 1 unit mage	1 per 10 days	Moderate	0	25
Recruit 1 unit heavy melee	1 per 10 days	Moderate	0	25
Recruit 1 unit Heavy range	1 per 10 days	Moderate	0
Gain 5 KP	1 per 5 days	Minimal	0	18
Gain 10 KP	1 per 5 days	Minimal	0	25
Gain 15 KP	1 per 10 days	Moderate	0	30
Gain 20 KP	1 per 10 days	Moderate	0	35
Move 2 buildings	1 per day or 1 per 2 days	Free	0	25
Gain 10 Culture	1 per 5 days	Minimal	0	25
Give NH 5 times	1 per 5 days	Free	0	25
Give NH 10 times	1 per 10 days	Free	0	40
Total Currency			6677	6176

 

[DeletedUser20951]

While I'm loving the new format, overall, I definitely agree that there should be some improvements made, such as designating certain quests as rare to prevent getting so many that put too much strain on anybody, having the ability to skip a quest perhaps once a day, and receiving more chest currency in proportion with the difficulty of the quest, instead of based strictly on the number of quests completed total.

 

[Deleted User - 312108]

While I'm loving the new format, overall, I definitely agree that there should be some improvements made, such as designating certain quests as rare to prevent getting so many that put too much strain on anybody, having the ability to skip a quest perhaps once a day, and receiving more chest currency in proportion with the difficulty of the quest, instead of based strictly on the number of quests completed total.

That's what I tried to do with my chart - high cost quests are rare or unique, free ones frequent but give a low amount of currency.

I think the random (and I would like it random, which it is not currently) endless quests have merit, however, my experience on beta shows that if you are unlucky you get an overabundance of complete 2 provinces and collect 15 vision vapor etc. Which while not impossible are a drag to do... or cost so much or cause you to be well over the number of provinces you may want to have completed for your level that given the frequency of events and these quests causes a huge strain on players which will eventually increase the likelihood that players do not participate in events or get frustrated enough to leave.

I would like to see quest currency valuation based on cost/difficulty and a method of skipping or quest expiration so that if there IS a quest that blocks or takes an excessive amount of time (here's looking at 60 hour scouting) that there is a way to bypass them.

 

[DeletedUser20951]

That's what I tried to do with my chart

...Charts make my brain hurt and I'll admit to not trying to study it. I'm sure there's good stuff in there, but it would take me way too long to decipher and then I would likely still misinterpret it. XD

 

[Deleted User - 312108]

No worries I think I covered the nutshell idea that 1) currency given by quests should be based on time/cost 2) there needs to be more variety so I added some additional quests to the list (and removed some) 3) Certain quests are expensive in ways beyond gold/supply/good cost in that they push players beyond where they want to expand to and should be limited in occurrence especially as they have occurred and will occur in other events.

 

[DeletedUser15167]

I have completed Constructs and have upgraded all my buildings. I am stuck on Research 1 Tech or Upgrade two buildings to level 16. I used my Restoration Instants when I had a couple quests to upgrade to level 14. Now I either have to take the time and resources to upgrade buildings I don't need to level 16 or quit. I was excited for the endless quests and now I am stuck. I am very unhappy with this quest and this event. It is very much against the people who have played the longest. And since it is all random, I could get the same quest again and again.

 

[cleverphox]

I am in the same predicament.As you may or may not have surmised, I am stuck as well, I have a full city and I am at the end of my tech tree. The city suits me well, until the expiring buildings go away. A) I don't want to lose the current expiring buildings and B) I still want to take part in the event but C) the quest takes me to where I don't want to go or can't go (ie. Research1 Technology or Upgrade 2 buildings to level 14 or higher). Here is a couple of suggestions... either A) add a third option to get past this quest (like what you did in the previous event) or B) add a terminator technology research after the last technology (Ancient Wonder of the Constructs) and call it something like "Prepare the Way" which would have comparable KP and resources to complete but instead of opening up a feature of the game you could just provide Ranking Points or something like that. Then after the completion of that technology reset it so that it can be done again naturally it would go away once the next guest race comes along, but it would be tacked on the end of that tree.

 

[cleverphox]

That's what I tried to do with my chart - high cost quests are rare or unique, free ones frequent but give a low amount of currency.

I think the random (and I would like it random, which it is not currently) endless quests have merit, however, my experience on beta shows that if you are unlucky you get an overabundance of complete 2 provinces and collect 15 vision vapor etc. Which while not impossible are a drag to do... or cost so much or cause you to be well over the number of provinces you may want to have completed for your level that given the frequency of events and these quests causes a huge strain on players which will eventually increase the likelihood that players do not participate in events or get frustrated enough to leave.

I would like to see quest currency valuation based on cost/difficulty and a method of skipping or quest expiration so that if there IS a quest that blocks or takes an excessive amount of time (here's looking at 60 hour scouting) that there is a way to bypass them.

I'm at 101 hours

 

[Deleted User - 312108]

Yes, that's where the option to skip a quest would be useful.
Maybe something like:
Research 1 technology or Upgrade 2 buildings to level 14 or higher OR GAIN 20 KP
Research 1 technology or Upgrade 2 buildings to level 16 or higher OR GAIN 30 KP
Scout 1 Province or Upgrade 1 building to level 14 or higher OR GAIN 20 KP
Scout 1 Province or Upgrade 2 buildings to level 16 or higher OR GAIN 30 KP

 

[DeletedUser20951]

No worries I think I covered the nutshell idea that 1) currency given by quests should be based on time/cost 2) there needs to be more variety so I added some additional quests to the list (and removed some) 3) Certain quests are expensive in ways beyond gold/supply/good cost in that they push players beyond where they want to expand to and should be limited in occurrence especially as they have occurred and will occur in other events.

YES! This would be much more intuitively designed and user-friendly. No one (well, maybe some) likes to run face-first into zero chance of progression, and avoiding that form of alienation should be a top priority.

 

[Deleted User - 312108]

Another thought along the lines of the OR quests is that instead of a single quest being pulled it pulls 3 quests so instead of Scout 1 province you have:
Scout 1 Province
Upgrade 2 buildings to level 14
Produce Boosted T1 9 hour x4
and you have to complete one of the three options. In theory they should be within the same cost category. Being on both this forum, the beta forum and a facebook group - I think there is a lot of frustration with the event. I hope they review metrics when the event is over to see just what percentage of the player base actually continued completing quests at the end of the event.

 

[Black watch]

I'd like to be able to plan...
BUT: if the new system is kept (And I think it will be kept by INNO), then I'd like to see a skip/decline option added and better value added as Lyleth suggests. I'd also like to see issues taken care of that are affecting folks that have been listed time and again in the other feedback threads, especially the ones where a person has had multiple quests come up that are extremely costly or HUGELY time consuming. We have a finite amount of time to work the quests and if you factor in these huge quests, then it effectively removes all hope of getting a decent prize for someone.
A challenge is good, it makes things rewarding, but if you make it stressful AND irritating, then what fun is that?
Personally, I hate the new odds for chests that INNO is using now (I must be the most unlucky person around) and would like to see my effort compensated with at least a good CHANCE at getting what I click on and INNO, for Gods sake, please substitute something else in the chests offering coin rains... If I see another one, I think I'll scream at the monitor.

 

[DeletedUser16929]

The total value of my list is less than the current, but given they are theoretically endless and there are limits on how often some of the more expensive quests can occur the values may be too high yet.

i like to plan my strategy for success and this randomness is messing me up, i have started looking for a new game to play

 

[DeletedUser20951]

i have started looking for a new game to play

Oh no, no! You brighten up the forums with your satellite! DO NOT LEAVE US. Or, if it's right for you, leave us but think fondly back. I think the strategy for success in this game is playing it and enjoying it, but my standards are low in that regard.

 

[DeletedUser16929]

Oh no, no! You brighten up the forums with your satellite! DO NOT LEAVE US. Or, if it's right for you, leave us but think fondly back. I think the strategy for success in this game is playing it and enjoying it, but my standards are low in that regard.

i really don't want to leave, but if i do, i think that i would still check in to the forum, as i have less disappointment and more fun in the forum

 

[DeletedUser20951]

i really don't want to leave, but if i do, i think that i would still check in to the forum, as i have less disappointment and more fun in the forum

While it's possible that because so few participate here, we stick out (for better or worse), and more fun, meaningful (in a sense), discussion takes place due to that, I hope you do continue to light up our sky. : )

 

[Deleted User - 312108]

I hope you stay Sputnik, but I understand. I left for four years, I may leave again eventually due to frustration.

I did change it to multi-vote so you can tell me I am insane. Right now, 50/50 with the go back to the old format and give me a better variety/valuation (aka this suggestion in some form) with a few saying at least give me the option to skip some these 'beep' quests because they are costing me too much time or hurting my city progress.