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Discussion in 'Battle Help' started by Negan086, Jul 7, 2017.

  1. Negan086

    Negan086 New Member

    May 27, 2017
    Higher level barracks or armories, and how many armories is normal for chapter 3?

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  2. mucksterme

    mucksterme Well-Known Member

    Jan 8, 2017
    Barracks and armories are for training. They do not help with actual battle.
    For "stronger" armies you need to research squad size and get the Ancient Wonders that buff your fighters.
  3. Mykan

    Mykan Well-Known Member

    Jul 14, 2016
    Things that impact troop production:
    • Barracks - faster production times
    • Armouries - more troops per training slot in barracks
    • Wonders - certain wonders give free troops or increase training speed or increase training size
    For stronger armies:
    • Squad Size technology
    • Wonders - Those that increase damage or HP
    For weaker enemies:
    • Advanced scout tech - Decreases the enemies strength for unscouted provinces
    • Scouting approach - Again not directly affecting your troops but the enemy strength.
      • Scouting in a "circular" fashion, difficulty jumps a lot when you go an extra ring distance from your town
      • Timing of scouting to your advanced scout tech. Minimal or moderate scouting will have enemies you can beat. Scouting as much as possible will mean provincial combat becomes impossible
    • Chapter - If you are in chapter 1-3 you may not have access to all unit types placing you at a disadvantage. Provincial combat is also unbalanced in this area so just get to the end of chapter 3 through negotiating.
    Number of armories depends on your play style. Anywhere from 2-4 is fairly normal for a combat person in most chapters. Some people do have up to 6 armories, later in the game wonders can influence this as well.
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  4. Eldinar

    Eldinar New Member

    Jul 7, 2017
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  5. EarthbornIcarus

    EarthbornIcarus Member

    Jan 21, 2017
    THANKS, Mykan!! Great info!
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  6. Shauna

    Shauna New Member

    Mar 7, 2016
    Great explanation. Kept a copy for my fellowship members. Thank you.
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  7. IrishDave

    IrishDave New Member

    Mar 26, 2018
    yes Thanks A lot for This great Info
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  8. truelinor

    truelinor Member

    Mar 18, 2018
    Can I quote you on my website? I will, of course, give you credit.
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  9. Mykan

    Mykan Well-Known Member

    Jul 14, 2016
    that's fine :)
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  10. truelinor

    truelinor Member

    Mar 18, 2018
    Thank you! Would you like a link to it? =)
  11. LEO1WOLF

    LEO1WOLF Member

    Mar 29, 2018
    Mykan - - this is some GREAT information, I only wish I would have ran across this before doing so. So I'm at the point where Provinical combat is now impossible. Is there anyway for me to remedy this please? I'm running into all sorts of problems. . .

    My Alt's name is LEO1WOLF in the Felyndral server & my Rank is 10087 with a score of 24865. My STAT's:
    Working Population = 11,173
    Required Culture = 11,916
    World Map Progress = an obismal 1,776.

    It's like I'm kind of screwed because I can't combat anything, my Troops are way too underpowered and I'm not able to generate enough Goods to Negotiate all battles to furhter progress. (Does that make sense, the way I've described it?) If you can't battle, nor negotiate, there's almost no hope for gaining expansions, which also is tied into having no way to increase production of Goods &/or Supplies. Sorry my Friend, this Alt of mine is at a real stand-still.

    Thank you ahead of time for any advice you might provide me.
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  12. Crowella

    Crowella Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2015
    One option is to be patient and build up good gradually to use in negotiation. (Or build up troops to use in battle or a combination.)
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  13. Mykan

    Mykan Well-Known Member

    Jul 14, 2016
    @LEO1WOLF just look at your scouted provinces compared to the chapter your in and future chapters. Depending on those numbers it might be possible to just be patient on world map scouting and your tech will eventually catch-up. You do reach a point where you can push well past the min provinces for a chapter, my main town is around 430ish provinces and I still have lots and lots of easy fights (recently cleared all my very easy ones).
  14. mucksterme

    mucksterme Well-Known Member

    Jan 8, 2017
    That's pretty much where I am. I have 427 completed provinces and 10 - 12 scouted.
    I just double checked and all the surrounding provs are either easy or medium. I scouted the last very easy a few days ago.

    If you want to have easier provs to scout.
    Don't over explore in lower chapters.
    And research all squad upgrades.
  15. kctanzen

    kctanzen Well-Known Member

    Oct 26, 2017
    Squad size upgrades are likely one of the more inflammatory topics of discussion :)
    That being said -- one of the better long view approaches is to look at a couple of military focused Ancient Wonders -- specifically the Sanctuary / Monastery and Needles of the Tempest.

    Sanctuary / Monastery (depending on human or elf) adds health to all your troops and a secondary culture boost to your city.
    Needles increases the training speed of any troops from your barracks and a secondary boost to your light ranged damage rating (archers / crossbows, dryads, rangers).

    Healthier troops are stronger armies and being able to train more of the core troops from barracks much more quickly helps quite a lot.
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2019
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  16. The Unbeliever

    The Unbeliever Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2017
    My personal advise?
    1. Province Map fighting:
    - Don't bother! Early game, Ch.1-3 are so unbalanced it's mostly impossible due to not having all the troop types yet.
    Later game, while your squad size tech will eventually grow well beyond the enemy, it simply costs too much in troops vs. the costs of just negotiating.
    It's only really in the mid-game, around Dwarfs through maybe end of Wood Elves that province fighting is well balanced in your favour, AND, not too overly costly in resources.

    2. Squad Size techs:
    - This one's a killer. Researching larger squad sizes eventually makes the main map ridiculously easy, but then royally & permently screws you over in the weekly tournaments!
    Skipping all the 'optional' squad size techs, (ie: all those that are dead ends on the tech tree), makes your tournaments much easier, but makes your main map fighting go from "easy" to "lunatic" difficulty mode. :p
    Still, you'll earn so much more in the weekly tournaments, that's it's highly recommended to skip every squad size tech you can.

    3. The AI sucks:
    Manual fighting in this game is painful. But the AI is so horriawful that it *will* cost you 1000's of troops.
    And then there's the fact that Inno's random terrain generator was obviously spawned by Satan himself due to the rather high prevalence of being 'terrain screwed' into near-unwinnable fights.

    4. AW's:
    - This is where the bulk of your power comes from. If you want to have a powerful military, then you *must* build and level all the military AW's, with the most important one being the Sanctuary/Martial Monastery since it adds to your troops health points.

    5. Armouries:
    - There is no magical number here, rather you want to aim to have a high enough bonus so that your barracks/training grounds/merc camps are running 24/7.

    Ignore the upcoming Spire of Eternity.
    - this thing is busted as all feth on beta currently, and Inno refuse to balance it. Until you have Lv.25-30 wonders and a small mountain of unit boosters from the crafting feature, you will simply explode your army in spectacular fashion for a bunch of coin rains & supply instants!:p
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  17. nutua

    nutua New Member

    May 6, 2019
    Why did the number of prov I have to complete jump from 50 to 75 in just one chapter?
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  18. Mykan

    Mykan Well-Known Member

    Jul 14, 2016
    The cost on troops later game depends on approach. If you have bluetopia then it is practically free for every province, even green/easy fights barely cost a thing. Actually the goods to negotiate in this situation would be better put to tournaments.

    Every chapter is designed around you collecting x expansions form the world map, that way you have enough space to do the things needed in the town. The province requirement is a minimum not a maximum.

    Edit: The wiki has a list of how many provinces needed per expansion. It starts at 2 or 3 and goes up to 10. So for later chapter the province requirement is closer to 30-40 even though the number of expansions acquired is similar.
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2019
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  19. RKgrafics

    RKgrafics Member

    Nov 12, 2018
    Great info mates. i would like to add that since Crafting was added, we also got temporary buildings (5days) that adds % to troops heath / strength:
    1st one is- Magnicifant mage multiplayer - adds you Mage units 50% more damage
    2nd- Unleashed Unit upgrade- add your troops 25% more life(health)
    3rd- enligtend light range - adds your light range troops 50% more damage
  20. LEO1WOLF

    LEO1WOLF Member

    Mar 29, 2018
    WOW - - a whole WEALTH of knowledge from all of you. :) Thank you very kindly, as this helps TREMENDOUSLY! :D