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[Dhurrin]

I agree. It's not worth it to do the spire anymore. Sure, I do 4 chests to get an rr in tourney, but it is easier in tourney because one person can make that by themselves. Even if I go to the top of the spire, I can't get an rr if the team doesn't do it. They've been turned off by the spire now and don't even try to get to high halls, and once a team is turned off, it's very hard to turn them back on with a TINY increase. Inno has killed the spire like they've killed so many things.

Now, if they were to have the spire rewards accumulate for each player individually ... without having to reach the dang purple bar, then I'd be happy to go to the top every week and get the 100 diamonds and the couple of rrs. But since I only get diddly squat for doing it, whats the point? That's why an rr works in the tourney but it WON'T DO A DANG THING in the spire ... sheesh that isn't rocket science.

Yes, I just did the entire first floor on the new Spire that started today; 1 tome of flowers, 1 tome of basic virtues, 2000 spellfrags and some Sapphires in the rest of the chests...pretty sad. Makes me wonder why I'm wasting troops on this.

For anyone preparing for Ch22 tomorrow on live, start your 2 day Orc Horde production for quest 4.

I guess I'll have to either speed it up, or wait a day for that production to be finished. I guess I can wait, as I'm sure the armory upgrade is going to take some time as well and I'm not wasting precious time-boosters on that. The reduced number from the Spire means I'll spend them differently. Also means I'm definitely putting the Brown Bear on a permanent diet of being fed only once every 9 weeks after a complete tourney cycle to replenish my troops.

 

[iamthouth]

@Dhurrin Main Hall upgrade comes first, and will likely take 70 plus hours, so you can start it later if waiting for that to finish, rather than rushing it.

 

[actualfantasy]

I agree it is not worth doing the Spire anymore. I have discussed this with FS members and others and the reaction is not good. I good friend quit due to the changes. What ese is new right?:}{ ;}

 

[TimeMachine]

Now, if they were to have the spire rewards accumulate for each player individually ... without having to reach the dang purple bar, then I'd be happy to go to the top every week and get the 100 diamonds

To me it seems like they were doing exactly this by the latest changes at least a little. I've just done a lot of spire in order to collect some examples. You can find it in my confessions of a multi worlder thread.

If I would pick the two best examples concerning diamonds, one city directly won 150 diamonds by climbing to the top and another one scored 125 diamonds directly plus 10RRs no dang purple bar was needed for this.

Just remember how laborious those RRs would be earned in tournament.
Plus both cities will with almost certainty be getting that dang purple bar filled as (nearly) every week.

To me it seems like that the smaller fellowship rewards consisting of diamonds have been converted into (smaller) "single player rewards".
I really do not understand why but it is feeling like this and was probably made for those who never made it to fill that purple bar?

As said before, if I am lucky I can win some diamonds and RRs, I would have to play a lot of tournament for, on a single evening.

Being rewarded with more blueprints now should make artifacts easier accessible in crafting I guess and I like this but by all those changes the
group feeling and activity of spire and tournament will probably suffer.

I can already hear them: "HaHa I got my 10RRs for this week already - No need to do tournament for me."

Maybe this is the future way to no longer feeling like "having" to log in daily, sounds very relaxed to me, although I always thought that @InnoGames wanted to invite humans and elves to log in every day?

 

[Dhurrin]

@Dhurrin Main Hall upgrade comes first, and will likely take 70 plus hours, so you can start it later if waiting for that to finish, rather than rushing it.

*grins*...no, I needed my builders for other things. So I used time-instants to upgrade the Main Hall, then to upgrade 2 armories right away (that fit better in the city-layout for now) then had a use for all 5; 1 for the portal and 1 for each of the 4 other buildings.
Bloody heck, even that path between the portal and those buildings is bloody expensive! And the buildings themselves eat through sentient and ascended goods.

 

[TimeMachine]

Regarding spire changes discussion, I must admit that I am hoping that the spire wonder, nobody knows what its effect will be yet and when it is going to be finally implemented ingame, will be able to defuse the current situation.

The few stage-designs that are already visible in game data on beta are really looking nice.
There are some diamonds showing up on the last stage of this spoiler, aren't they?

Spoiler: spire aw

 

[TimeMachine]

It is confirmed that Tomes of Spirit Flowers still exist on the third spire level.
The fact that the replacement on the first two levels, especially through enchantments, is not really 1:1 is another matter.

Tomes of Spirit Flowers are not completely gone - every chest, one ahead of the bosses chest, still has them.
However, there are no more tomes in the other chests.

There are no longer any portal profits for the big bosses or in the level rewards for reaching the halls, laboratory and at the very top.
Instead, they have been replaced everywhere by 50% supply windfalls.

 

[Silly Bubbles]

Here's more info from en forum: https://en.forum.elvenar.com/index.php?threads/changes-to-the-spire-rewards.18775/

 

[TimeMachine]

Again it seems like without Discord-using humans and elves who are so kind to invest a few seconds on copy&paste, there would still be nearly no information.
How funny that nowadays live-forums have informations about beta server that one will not be able to find in the "official" Elvenar beta forum.

 

[Dominionofgod]

Changes to the Spire rewards

I've just found this bit of news on Beta Discord: Following up on the feedback we've received recently on the amount of Tomes of Spirit Flowers given out in the Spire of Eternity, we would like to replace them for other rewards in small encounters (1&2): Introduction of two new Tomes (10%...

en.forum.elvenar.com

Following up on the feedback we've received recently on the amount of Tomes of Spirit Flowers given out in the Spire of Eternity, we would like to replace them for other rewards in small encounters (1&2):

• Introduction of two new Tomes (10% chance):
  • Tome of Magical Enchantments:
    • 1x Power of Provision
    • 1x Ensorcelled Endowment
    • 1x Magical Manufacturing
    • 1x Inspiring Meditation
  • Tome of Regiment and Diplomacy
    • 1x Light Melee Regiment (5 squads)
    • 1x Light Ranged Regiment (5 squads)
    • 1x Mage Regiment (5 squads)
    • 1x Heavy Melee Regiment (5 squads)
    • 1x Heavy Ranged Regiment (5 squads)
    • 1x Spectral Stone
• Combining Catalysts (2x at 10% chance) will be available as encounter rewards, in addition to Fellowship rewards and Mystery Chests. This raises the current weekly average of CCs after 3 completed stages from 28,7 to 31,1.
• The amount of Time Reduction Instants will also increased by 2x 2h Time Instants (10% chance)
  • • These changes will only go live on Beta next Tuesday, October 1st but we wanted to inform you ahead of the new Spire, starting on Sunday.

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This post showed up in beta forums. Some small adjustments to spire rewards.

The enchantment tome isnt much of a big deal at all. I would guess that it would mostly et used for MM's since they are the rarest of them to get from events/rewards. But its nothing to get excited about.
I do like the 'tome' idea tho. Using that to let players chose which one they want instead of putting just one enchantment type in there instead. So the over all tome idea used in this manner is a good one; but individually it will depend on what options they put in the tome.

The tome for military units isnt a bad idea. Spire takes a crap ton of troops. Or.. it did. Before the nerfed the time instants (and cats/frags). So now im not doing much spire. So troops arnt dieing as much. Much the troop tome is still decent.

Adding catalysts back into normal chests is good. But.. (shocking) ... the amount is so small that it feels a bit insulting. Two? Really? And at only a 10% chance at that... Inno can claim w/e theoretical average numbers they want; saying its going up form 28 to 31 per spire run a week. I will call BS on that every single time. I care more about what actually shows up. And out of four full spire runs; i saw two times, i got one cat chest form the whole spire. And two times i got ZERO cats form the whole run of the spire. So they can claim theoretical ~31 all they want. It doesnt actually work out that way. So for a guy that has been seeing zero cats a week from a full spire run... the addition of just.. 2... at 10%.. feels insulting.

And if thats insulting, then im not sure what to say about the huge announcement of a whole two 2h time instant at 10%.. Really?
After such a big nerf to time instants that screw over a lot of ppl, and the sole reason i cant do the full spire anymore, and they announce.. two 2h time instant getting added in?
Again, i measured the time instant rewards for four full spire runs. EVERY one yielded the same result; a net yield of NEGATIVE time instants. And that only counting instants used to climb the spire. It did not even count in some help to retrain units or anything else ppl were using them for. (And between the FA and the cauldron, and alternating dates with tourney+ 5day exp buildings.. the system really pushes ppl towards doing a lot at once,) So the addition of two 2h at 10% is its sooooooo far beyond insulting.

I keep hearing that line from the early seasons of Suits in my head. 'You dont send a puppy to clean up it own crap'. - It feels like inno is trying to save face on the horrible spire changes they made. But after coming up with this idea, they stopped and thought 'now how can we screw this up?'
/raises hand 'oh! oh! I know! Well do something thats almost decent, but well make the values sooo small that it practically irrelevant!'
'Brilliant! Do it!'
So to no surprise.... the puppy made a mess.

 

[Silly Bubbles]

I keep hearing that line from the early seasons of Suits in my head. 'You dont send a puppy to clean up it own crap'. - It feels like inno is trying to save face on the horrible spire changes they made. But after coming up with this idea, they stopped and thought 'now how can we screw this up?'
/raises hand 'oh! oh! I know! Well do something thats almost decent, but well make the values sooo small that it practically irrelevant!'
'Brilliant! Do it!'
So to no surprise.... the puppy made a mess.

Even puppies aren't safe here