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Quests Poor game design for how easy it is to advance and lose the questline

Discussion in 'Ideas and Suggestions' started by edeba, Aug 6, 2017.

  1. edeba

    edeba Well-Known Member

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    I've have played a few games with questlines and this is the only game that you can "lose" it in the sense that where you get stuck can mean having to rebuild an entire guest race, which isn't reasonable and is a terrible design flaw. Rebuilding a guest race is no minor thing. For me, I was already using the space with the orc race when the fairy guest race quests started to appear. With good game design, this kind of thing simply just should not happen. With good game design there would be checks build in, or the quests would convert to declinable once the scouting tech of the next chapter is complete.

    A difference in the design is the other games I've played have 3-5 of the quests that you can access/do by scrolling through the quests. So, if you've completed a requirement, it gets ticked and goes away. I've had other games with 3 or 4 quests in the same "event" waiting for something. This game doesn't do that, yet this idea would probably fix this problem.
     
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  2. Juliandra Ari

    Juliandra Ari Member

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    Yes. I have two of my cities stuck....way far back in the quest line, and I'm forced to find room and building time to re-complete trivial tasks that I've already completed many times. Not a real good design, unless it's only $$ the developers care about.
     
  3. Risen Malchiah

    Risen Malchiah Active Member

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    I agree the quests should be redesigned to avoid problems (like changing "build xx building" to "have xx building" etc) and perhaps more of them should give you the option to decline. But I don't understand how one gets so far behind in the quests that you're more than a chapter behind.

    The only way this happens is if a player ignores the main quest line for months.

    I started an earlier thread here about this issue with ideas for the developers to change a few aspects of the quests to make them more appealing and encourage players to keep up with them.
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2017
  4. Juliandra Ari

    Juliandra Ari Member

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    Its because if you progress rather rapidly, and yes - ignore the non declinable quest for a few weeks to keep that rapid progression going.... pretty soon you're too far behind to even bother completing the non declinable quest until 'later', which puts you even further behind.
     
  5. Juliandra Ari

    Juliandra Ari Member

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    ......And fairly quickly 'later', becomes never, because it's just too stupid and tedious to dedicate 1 out of only 2 builders, plus a big slot of land to rebuild something that no longer adds any value to your city.
     
  6. Juliandra Ari

    Juliandra Ari Member

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    I've chosen to simply continue ignoring the quests, because they are too tedious and a waste of time and resources to re-do, and in many cases..... a total waste of time and resources to do in the first place.
    ~~so long quests.
     
  7. SoggyShorts

    SoggyShorts Well-Known Member

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    @Juliandra Ari
    I don't know if you are a free player or not, but there is a quest at the end of chapter 6+ that gives 200 diamonds.
    It's not much if you already buy diamonds, but for a free player 1200 diamonds is a pretty big deal.
     
  8. Juliandra Ari

    Juliandra Ari Member

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    200 or 1200? - I cant find a single thing I want to do with 200 diamonds, nor with 200 more. 1200....there are several things Id love to do with 1200 diamonds.
     
  9. SoggyShorts

    SoggyShorts Well-Known Member

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    200 each quest, 1 quest per chapter starting with chapter 6, so 1200 total.
    Add on to that 200 more diamonds for opening the chest at the end of each chapter and it's 2200 (no chest at the end of chapter 11 yet)
     
  10. Juliandra Ari

    Juliandra Ari Member

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    For 2200 diamonds, I may even buy a few more just to support the developers for being a bit generous. Yes for 2200 diamonds, its worth following the quest line, and plus, Id be inclined to buy a few more just to show my appreciation - just not when it takes months and months and a few more months and months to obtain.
     
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  11. Juliandra Ari

    Juliandra Ari Member

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    SoggyShorts, I appreciate the time you took to make me aware of the diamonds available in the quests from chapter 6 onward. It enticed me to form a plan, and spend some time and effort catching up with all the main story line quests, which I would have completed by Monday morning - scouting 4 provinces at +12hrs per scout takes time.

    Unfortunately I was in contact with support and they advised me that all quests MUST be completed as they are - so in the case of BUILD a dwarvian portal - after catching up on all my main story line quests, I would be forced to tear down my currently existing lvl 2 portal and rebuild it and re upgrade it.

    This is not the first time this issue has arisen, and yet it has not been resolved? It is an easy fix - what is the difference between BUILD or HAVE a portal - not a difficult change to make to a quest.
     
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  12. Nimbrethil

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    As someone who has always done my quests, every single one I am surprised that there are so many people who do not do them. I did not decline a quest until I had reached the final chapter, as it was then and was not able to upgrade as there was nothing to upgrade so I had to start declining quests until I hit one I could do. Main quests have always been something I followed closely. However, I agree that if you have chosen to ignore them it is hard to go back but inno says that they cannot fix this. People must complete all the story quests to progress.
     
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  13. SoggyShorts

    SoggyShorts Well-Known Member

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    If you haven't reached that quest yet, check to make sure support is right, as I've seen them be wrong about quests before.
     
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  14. Juliandra Ari

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    Actually:
    I'm surprised when people do follow the quests - why do people choose to do a quest that doesn't benefit their city growth, and often hinders it - putting them into a position where they are almost forced to buy diamonds, or quit?


    Actually:
    "In May,<May 2nd, 2017> the Swedish entertainment company Modern Times Group invests EUR 82.6 million to increase its shareholding in InnoGames to 51%.
    -->Sort of ties the developers hands, don't you think?

    Thanks: I will Soggy. If I have to rebuild the portal that is currently at lvl 2, I will once again say:
    ~~so long to the quests, and inno can keep their diamonds, and get zero from me. Anyways, they're getting zero from me because there is too much pressure applied to buy diamonds - I'd rather enjoy the game by growing my cities and fellowship peacefully, than feel the aggravation and pressure to buy diamonds by following the quests anyways.

    Maybe a good fellowship name would be:
    "Quest Free"
     
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2017 at 8:03 AM
  15. Risen Malchiah

    Risen Malchiah Active Member

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    90% of the quests are things we're doing anyway. In that sense, it's free coins and supplies. I agree they should be tweaked and offer rewards other than just coins and supplies to encourage more engagement though. A simple change in the build quests from "build" to "have" solves most of the problems unless a player is a full chapter ahead and already deleted their portal.

    I disagree that the game forces you to buy diamonds. I've gotten by pretty much without buying diamonds (other than for convenience sake like a 3rd builder). I have no magic buildings or diamond culture buildings and after only 7 months of playing the game, I am almost done with the orc chapter. Event prizes from the winter, phoenix and herd events made up the culture/population gaps easily.
     
  16. Juliandra Ari

    Juliandra Ari Member

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    I've finally caught up on the storyline quests, and I don't have to rebuild my existing lvl 2 dwarvian portal - it accepted it! :)
     
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  17. SoggyShorts

    SoggyShorts Well-Known Member

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    HA! I knew you couldn't rely on what support said. Glad it worked out for you.:D
     
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  18. Juliandra Ari

    Juliandra Ari Member

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    TY SS, my city is now humming along again, in a semi-organized fashion, void of all the culture buildings that I was forced to find room for so I could catch up on the storyline quests.

    In my opinion - this is where the quests get dropped most easily: When you have better culture buildings or an excess of supplies, it's terribly difficult to allocate much needed space, a builder, and time - all to build a culture building you don't want or need.
     
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2017 at 9:55 AM
  19. Juliandra Ari

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    Building culture buildings needs to be declinable - it would prevent a lot of stalling in the storyline quests.
     
  20. mucksterme

    mucksterme Well-Known Member

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    The non-declinable tasks are generally guidance for progressing in the game
    A lot of you seem to look at them as some sort of punishment
     
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