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Quick Question about FA

Darielle

Chef, Scroll-Keeper, and Buddy Fan Club Member
You'd think I'd know this ... how late can you join a fellowship to do the FA .... like, if you were in 10 minutes before the FA started, would you be able to participate in it? Or does it have to be 24 hours, or whatever? Thanks in advance.
 

HonuMoana

Active Member
I would have answered any time before the start. A group tried to poach one of my cities with less than 24 hours to go, and that city is the top ranking city in its Fellowship. In their poaching message, they specifically referenced the FA. It was the most slimey poach attempt I have experienced.
 

ajqtrz

Chef - Loquacious One
I would have answered any time before the start. A group tried to poach one of my cities with less than 24 hours to go, and that city is the top ranking city in its Fellowship. In their poaching message, they specifically referenced the FA. It was the most slimey poach attempt I have experienced.

Slimy, huh? What kind of slime? I mean was it really, really, really, slimy slime, or just a bit slimy slime. Personally, if I knew you aren't happy with your fellowships last FA performance, would that make the slime a bit less slimy? Just wondering what constitutes a "most slimey poach." ;)

Here are some ideas for determining the slime of the poach.

Did I ever express any dissatisfaction with my fellowship?
Do I move from one fellowship to another often?
Am I in a fellowship that is largely or completely inactive?
Did the "slimer" ask my AM if it was okay to "slime" me?
Did the "slimer" say a lot of bad stuff about my fellowship, or it's leadership?

Really, there are some considerations.

AJ
 

HonuMoana

Active Member
Slimy, huh? What kind of slime? I mean was it really, really, really, slimy slime, or just a bit slimy slime. Personally, if I knew you aren't happy with your fellowships last FA performance, would that make the slime a bit less slimy? Just wondering what constitutes a "most slimey poach." ;)

Here are some ideas for determining the slime of the poach.

Did I ever express any dissatisfaction with my fellowship?
Do I move from one fellowship to another often?
Am I in a fellowship that is largely or completely inactive?
Did the "slimer" ask my AM if it was okay to "slime" me?
Did the "slimer" say a lot of bad stuff about my fellowship, or it's leadership?

Really, there are some considerations.

AJ

Trying to steal another Fellowship's top ranking player immediately prior to an FA is definitely reprehensible. I wouldn't do it. Would you?
 

ajqtrz

Chef - Loquacious One
Trying to steal another Fellowship's top ranking player immediately prior to an FA is definitely reprehensible. I wouldn't do it. Would you?
Good question. I might if, in speaking to the person in the forum, I found out he/she was really dissatisfied with their fs. But, then I'd probably ask the AM if it were okay, before doing so. That's my way of doing recruiting.
 

Darielle

Chef, Scroll-Keeper, and Buddy Fan Club Member
As far as I'm concerned, players aren't things that "belong" to any group or any AM. You have to earn their loyalty. You earn it by working your hardest to be the best AM you can be and communicate with players and make them feel valued. Sometimes, it even means you have to let them go and explore elsewhere. I used to talk to my AM all the time ... we were close friends and I was one of the top players in her group. She was 15 years younger than me but as wise as a sage. I told her that another fellowship, one that was number 1 in FA and got more chests, had recruited me, and I didn't want to be disloyal so I refused. That brilliant woman told me, "If there is any part of you that wonders what it would be like to be in that top group, then maybe you should try it and see if you like it. I know how much you love the FA. I'll leave the light on for you when you come home ... no matter how long that takes."

I left and joined that group, and it took me over six months to realize that I had left the best AM on the planet, and the place where I felt the happiest, most needed, and most respected. I wrote to her and said, "You were right, and I'll always love you for it. You let me see what was out there, which is what I needed, and now I'm ready to come home." She welcomed me back. She said at the time, "And just in time, too." I didn't know what she meant by that, but I found out before long ... she had a serious illness, Graves Disease, which has a very high mortality rate. She had always wanted me to be the next AM, but she never once asked me until I came home. She didn't want to burden me with guilt. She wanted me to KNOW where I wanted to be ... not either stay or return out of loyalty.

She named me AM 6 months later, when she was too ill to play anymore and I never heard from her again. I honor your memory, TMWC. That's what a real AM should be. She/he should not think of her players as a commodity .... a player is a human being who must be allowed to try their wings, find out where they belong, and not be saddled with an AM who thinks of them as serfs belonging to the serfdom. If I had never been given that opportunity, I would have spent my time in Thornwood always wondering.

During my time as AM, I always had a "I'll leave the light on for you" mentality with my own fellowship members. I used to tell members that Thornwood is not a prison ... players are always free to explore. I had some top members leave and then return and tell me they never want to be anywhere else ever again. THAT'S how you build loyalty ... by being the home that players can't forget. And once they come back after having their time "in the world" .... they know they want to be with you and are unlikely to ever leave again.

Now I'm in a "sister/resting" fellowship, meant for Thornwood's top players who need a break but can't bear to leave the group. Thanks to a wise sage called TMWC, I will never cut ties with Thornwood and am "unpoachable."
 

hvariidh gwendrot

Well-Known Member
ha members here get messages to jump fellowships all the time, before during and after whatever is going on at the time.. if i told members they owed me loyalty or belonged to the fellowship i would be playing by myself ha create a space for the type of players you want, then nurture the enviroment, i perosnally think it's kind of slimy to have mutiple account with different names lol own who you are :cool:
 

Ihrlaen

Well-Known Member
As far as I'm concerned, players aren't things that "belong" to any group or any AM. You have to earn their loyalty. You earn it by working your hardest to be the best AM you can be and communicate with players and make them feel valued. Sometimes, it even means you have to let them go and explore elsewhere.

This truly can not be overstated. The arbitrary concept of "poaching players" entirely diminishes the fundamental truth: players always have a choice. A recruitment message is a reminder of that choice, and the player is one that makes the choice. Timing and rankings are ultimately irrelevant.

As an Archmage, I know that the players in my Fellowship owe me nothing. I do my very best to communicate and manage expectations. I know they get recruitment messages all the time, and if they find something they want to try, by all means they should take that opportunity! Recruiting is Hard (TM), but just because I don't want to do it, doesn't mean I can stop someone from leaving, if that is what they want. Moreover, why would I want to? An unhappy player becomes disruptive (at best) and the knock-on effects ripple through everyone, be they ranked at the top or the bottom, highest participation or the lowest. The best I can do is to make our Fellowship a place that players want to be and I thank them for all that they do.
 
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sputnik9009

Well-Known Member
I would have answered any time before the start. A group tried to poach one of my cities with less than 24 hours to go, and that city is the top ranking city in its Fellowship. In their poaching message, they specifically referenced the FA. It was the most slimey poach attempt I have experienced.
slime is slime is slime... Be careful of the slime!... that is where the bottom feeders usually are!
sputnik9009..................................................... orbiting high above the earths mantle
 

ajqtrz

Chef - Loquacious One
This truly can not be overstated. The arbitrary concept of "poaching players" entirely diminishes the fundamental truth: players always have a choice. A recruitment message is a reminder of that choice, and the player is one that makes the choice. Timing and rankings are ultimately irrelevant.

As an Archmage, I know that the players in my Fellowship owe me nothing. I do my very best to communicate and manage expectations. I know they get recruitment messages all the time, and if they find something they want to try, by all means they should take that opportunity! Recruiting is Hard (TM), but just because I don't want to do it, doesn't mean I can stop someone from leaving, if that is what they want. Moreover, why would I want to? An unhappy player becomes disruptive (at best) and the knock-on effects ripple through everyone, be they ranked at the top or the bottom, highest participation or the lowest. The best I can do is to make our Fellowship a place that players want to be and I thank them for all that they do.
I agree. So, since Voyager, rank 21, needs 3-5 good players to become a Gold Spire and 19 chest fs. (currently 16 chests and 1175 average Spire) Can I recruit from your fellowship? ;>)

The joke above isn't really a joke for me. If I want to recruit from another fs and their AM is active, I send a note asking permission. The answer is usually "no" but it opens a dialog about recruitment and the difficulty of replacing inactive players. And sometimes players do get move, and mergers managed.

Here's a little history on Khelonaar. About 2 years ago I started The Consortium. The premise is that we can do better if we recruit together. Meaning not every player you spot needing a new fs will fit with your fs. So why not help other fellowships find players suited to their playing style? You "scratch their back," they "scratch yours." After about 6-8 months though, I had to fold the effort as my health took a downturn. Not enough energy/time AND, I found I wasn't getting the fellowships (21 of them) committed to the idea enough. In those months I moved about 200 individuals to better fellowships for their needs/desires, and oversaw about 6 mergers. Today I went back and looked, and of the 21 in The Consortium, 16 are still highly active. In the year or two since I shut down The Consortium, I continued to send players here and there, and another 20 or so have been placed. Today I recommended a 1.9m level player to a couple of previous The Consortium members and it got me to thinking. Why not just encourage all AM's and recruitment people to consider recruiting in the spirit of The Consortium. I have a list of 26 fellowships I will use and send (or receive) members from, so why not build your own list? Then work, and get the AM's in your list, to recruit together, placing players where they fit best (most of the time you can do this and most of the time it's successful because you get a feeling for each fs in your group.)

AJ
 

Ihrlaen

Well-Known Member
I agree. So, since Voyager, rank 21, needs 3-5 good players to become a Gold Spire and 19 chest fs. (currently 16 chests and 1175 average Spire) Can I recruit from your fellowship? ;>)
You may certainly try. That is not an invitation nor desire, rather an acceptance that I cannot stop someone from doing so regardless.

However, with the same average chests, higher average Spire, minor/unimportant rank bump, and fewer restrictions, it is perhaps not the jump most players would look for… :stick_out_tongue_elf: But who am I to say what someone else wants?
 
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Lelanya

Scroll-Keeper, Keys to the Gems
It's been a few years since I've played the game... question about how often do they have the FAs? I remember them having a few during the summer months but that was a few years back.
Currently we are on a pattern, two events, then FA. Someone requested this, and so it is, not that anything official has been said. We have Amuni and Summer Games events, then FA.
 
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