quitting properly vs city abandonment

[Aritra]

Let me start by saying I'm not quitting. Recent discussions have triggered a question that I have so far been unable to locate the answer, hence, coming to you.
It is well known that cities are [too often] abandoned and are a nuisance on the world map. It seems the the game wardens aren't particularly quick to eliminate them (despite the thirty day thing on the rules list).
My question is how, or if, there is a way to quit properly that would hasten the city being removed, as opposed to simple abandonment?

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Somewhere in the settings/options there is link to let a player delete their entire account.

 

[Henroo]

I have seen cities on the map where players have changed the city name to something like "Not Playing" or "Abandoned". Sometimes the date the city was abandoned is included. Doing something like this is a simple courtesy which lets everybody who cares to look know the city is inactive.

 

[helya]

Players that would like to delete a specific city can contact support and they will help you out. If you'd like to delete your entire account there is a process for that too, again by contacting support

 

[Rp44]

I have asked support before about deleting just one city from an account with multiple cities and was told it wasn't possible. Has that truly changed?

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

I have asked support before about deleting just one city from an account with multiple cities and was told it wasn't possible. Has that truly changed?

Yes, this was a recent change. I think they only started doing it in the last couple of months.

 

[shimmerfly]

@Henroo
Yep! I've also seen cities emptied out except for what you can't remove/sell.
Of course that was when you had to actually visit your neighbors.
I think speeding up the game has hurt it?

@Rp44 I know I've seen it but don't remember where. Maybe in game on the bottom of the start up page?
Whether or not it works is another question.

 

[helya]

I have asked support before about deleting just one city from an account with multiple cities and was told it wasn't possible. Has that truly changed?

Yes, this is a new change. We will do it one time for you.

 

[SoulsSilhouette]

What is TRULY annoying is that I have a neighbor in Sinya who is an active member in the forums but he has abandoned this particular city. As far as I can tell, he doesn't visit that city at all. He has a lot to say about how this game is run, but yet, he's part of the problem.

 

[DeletedUser25390]

I have neighbors, some of which haven't logged in upwards of 3 years.
Some don't even show up on Elvenstats.
If purging forums accts.(as per helya's post)is coming soon, how doing the to same idle player accts.
If they have not logged in in months, chances are they probably going to never login again.
Sad to say maybe they passed on,,maybe from covid. Now days it is a reality.

 

[DeletedUser25391]

Maybe an automated email they are if inactive more than a year. If no reply after 30 days delete the account. Especially those with only 1 city in the game.

 

[ajqtrz]

What is TRULY annoying is that I have a neighbor in Sinya who is an active member in the forums but he has abandoned this particular city. As far as I can tell, he doesn't visit that city at all. He has a lot to say about how this game is run, but yet, he's part of the problem.

It also has a bunch to say about new players. They often get bored when one city is taking soooooo looooooong that they start a second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh....you get the point. Then, when they realize the time commitment it takes to run one, two, three, four.....cities what can they do? They have the cities and only so much time. So they abandon some or most.

Now of course, if they are participating in the forums should they be told to be quiet because they abandoned a city? I think I'd rather have them in the forum telling others to NOT start two, three, four, five, or more cities but to wait until they know they can handle so many cities. AND in the mean time we get their experience from having had two, three, four, five....cities. It may not be pretty, but I take it as a win.

AJ

 

[Alram]

It isn't just boredom for new players. How long should people wait for someone, anyone to take their 25 plank trades before they go seek out a busier neighborhood?

 

[ajqtrz]

You ever wonder what would happen if they did delete all the inactive accounts? Look at the map. I've surveyed my 350 or so neighbors and found that over 1/2 of them are inactive. Removing them means a LOT of empty space and since nobody of any size wants to move.....it remains empty until new players start (of whom 1/2 at least will soon quit). The problem is indicative of a flaw in the early design. In my opinion they should have had a system of ranking in which as you got more established and consistent you were automatically moved toward the center and the other active players. As it is now it's more like a very worn piece of cloth that has been poked a bunch of times -- "active" areas are full of "inactive players."

In any case, if they did remove inactives at the rate they become inactive we'd all suffer having few to no neighbors....it would be like the very edge of the current map, only across the entire map for the most part.

AJ

 

[Henroo]

You ever wonder what would happen if they did delete all the inactive accounts? Look at the map. I've surveyed my 350 or so neighbors and found that over 1/2 of them are inactive. Removing them means a LOT of empty space and since nobody of any size wants to move.....it remains empty until new players start (of whom 1/2 at least will soon quit). The problem is indicative of a flaw in the early design. In my opinion they should have had a system of ranking in which as you got more established and consistent you were automatically moved toward the center and the other active players. As it is now it's more like a very worn piece of cloth that has been poked a bunch of times -- "active" areas are full of "inactive players."

In any case, if they did remove inactives at the rate they become inactive we'd all suffer having few to no neighbors....it would be like the very edge of the current map, only across the entire map for the most part.

AJ

But the inactives are not real neighbors anyway. You never trade with them or receive help visits back from inactive cities. All they are is something you can target once a day to raise some gold. I would prefer every inactive city around me to be replaced by a gold mine. It is quicker and easier to tap a gold mine than to give a help visit to a dead city, but you get the same result. And this change would not affect the active neighbors who I actually trade with or exchange visits with.

 

[ajqtrz]

But the inactives are not real neighbors anyway. You never trade with them or receive help visits back from inactive cities. All they are is something you can target once a day to raise some gold. I would prefer every inactive city around me to be replaced by a gold mine. It is quicker and easier to tap a gold mine than to give a help visit to a dead city, but you get the same result. And this change would not affect the active neighbors who I actually trade with or exchange visits with.

Yep, but do you visit every city? I don't. I visit about 155 because they are in fellowships and more likely to be active (I am guessing here). In any case, as you note, if there were a field of gold mines it would be faster than if you had neighbors (active or not) and thus easier to "visit" (one click vs 2). That, I think, would mean a lot more gold in the system and might throw thing out of kilter in some way. AND it would be a bit discouraging to have a field of gold mines and realize that the game had been abandoned by so many. Psychology plays a big part in any game and I'm pretty sure the devs don't want people feeling like Elvenar is a dying game.

I have about 15 active visiting neighbors. I get about 10-12 visits a day from them. That's a pretty low percentage out of 350 or so neighbors. I'm wondering if that's about the norm though. Anybody know?

AJ

 

[hvariidh gwendrot]

i have multiple worlds, they deleted a specific one on a world i wasn't playing at the time .. it took about 20 messages but it got deleted.. but if they ghost the city will sit forever it seems
if they did delete all dead cities and compressed the maps in so active cites had active neighbors that would be best .. but doubt they want to take the time to clean things up

 

[Henroo]

Yep, but do you visit every city? I don't. I visit about 155 because they are in fellowships and more likely to be active (I am guessing here). In any case, as you note, if there were a field of gold mines it would be faster than if you had neighbors (active or not) and thus easier to "visit" (one click vs 2). That, I think, would mean a lot more gold in the system and might throw thing out of kilter in some way. AND it would be a bit discouraging to have a field of gold mines and realize that the game had been abandoned by so many. Psychology plays a big part in any game and I'm pretty sure the devs don't want people feeling like Elvenar is a dying game.

I have about 15 active visiting neighbors. I get about 10-12 visits a day from them. That's a pretty low percentage out of 350 or so neighbors. I'm wondering if that's about the norm though. Anybody know?

AJ

I visit them all when I need gold. For example if I just placed an expansion, unlocked one of the techs which requires a large amount of gold to activate, or if I am doing something that needs lots of gold such as a round of workshop upgrades. When I have to do this, I switch to mobile. I prefer PC for most things in the game, but if you want to go around the world map visiting every city then mobile is faster. And your percentage of active neighbors does indeed seem low. Depending on which city it is, I have between 200 to 240 discovered neighbors. I am getting about 15 visits a day from non-FS members. There are some cities I have found that are active in trader but are relatively new. I am guessing they have not yet discovered me and therefore can't return visits.

 

[AtaguS]

Yes, this was a recent change. I think they only started doing it in the last couple of months.

This is fantastic news! I have several of those "Sorry, Not Playing" cities on other worlds and am thrilled to finally be able to make space for actual players.

 

[Aritra]

i have multiple worlds, they deleted a specific one on a world i wasn't playing at the time .. it took about 20 messages but it got deleted.. but if they ghost the city will sit forever it seems
if they did delete all dead cities and compressed the maps in so active cites had active neighbors that would be best .. but doubt they want to take the time to clean things up

I can't explain it well (hopefully someone knowledgable chimes in, or corrects me), but it is my understanding regarding map compression, it isn't simple because the map has specific repeating pattern for boosts and the entering city would need to match (and having exactly what is needed is unrealistic).