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Spire squad size calc - we need your data!

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Deleted User - 3932582

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Yes, I missed the 1st to 4th encounters as I bribed those :) Checked the numbers for 9, it is the same as 5.
No problem, as long as I've seen last week numbers it is easy to figure out and adjust the numbers from any encounter.
 

Deleted User - 3932582

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15 / 35 / 476 / 160 / 3186 = 6607 / 7334 [2020-03-24]
Hope this helps.
This is actually quite interesting. It turns out that the input numbers that I am collecting for you and @alainemk are very close (converted to 1st encounter size):
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alainemk:    15 / 35 / 477 / 158 / 3108 => 3056 / 1360
Socrates28:  15 / 35 / 476 / 160 / 3186 => 3304 / 1467

So both are end-game, with just 2 levels of AWs and 1 province apart. Yet Socrates28 Spire SS is significantly higher. One may think that it is the regular squad size that makes the difference (Socrates28's is a bit higher), but it's not quite consistent with data from other players. E.g. @Enevhar Aldarion's numbers:
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Enevhar Aldarion:  15 / 35 / 541 / 171 / 4626 => 3157 / 1402
So he does much higher number of provinces, higher AW levels, much, much higher base squad size - and yet still has lower Spire SS than Socrates28.

There was a hypothesis that regular SS may have negative weighting, but then alainemk vs Socrates28 numbers would not be consistent... Bottom line is, more observations are needed! That's exactly the kind of insight that I hoped to get, as it is easy to jump to conclusions based on a single player's history. Even though I hoped for something somewhat more obvious ;)

Thanks guys, keep them coming!
 

Enevhar Aldarion

Oh Wise One
Are barracks, etc, levels a factor? Or number and level of armories? My barracks, camp, and grounds are all at max and 5 armories at max for ch 15.
 

Socrates28

Well-Known Member
This is actually quite interesting. It turns out that the input numbers that I am collecting for you and @alainemk are very close (converted to 1st encounter size):
I edited my post as I forgot to tell you where I was, although it seems you adjusted for that already.
I was at Battle 9 (behind 2nd gate 1st level).
I don't know if that skews your observation.
Sorry if it did.
 

Deleted User - 3932582

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I edited my post as I forgot to tell you where I was, although it seems you adjusted for that already.
I was at Battle 9 (behind 2nd gate 1st level).
I don't know if that skews your observation.
Sorry if it did.
No, it doesn't - I am familiar enough with the common end-game numbers enough to make the adjustments. The only reason I ask for 1st encounter numbers is for cases that are very different, and I have no idea what the right numbers should be.
 

Deleted User - 3932582

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Are barracks, etc, levels a factor? Or number and level of armories? My barracks, camp, and grounds are all at max and 5 armories at max for ch 15.
Well, who knows? That's what we're trying to find out ;) But all 3 of you have the same maxed out levels for military buildings, so this is not it. Socrates28 has much higher training size numbers than alainemk, but you and him have almost the same training size. I noticed that ranking points for AWs are quite different for Socrates and alainemk even though that straight AW levels are almost exactly matching. But again, both you and Socrates are almost spot on on AW ranking points at 40K each.

A puzzle to be solved ;)
 

DeletedUser5371

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also how do you determine starting squad size....and do the buffs from phoenix and other buildings matter in your calculations.
 

DeletedUser5371

Guest
ignore my previous questions. i don't have info on level 1 its fight. i read your posts after i started spire yesterday. on 2nd level 9th encounter in high halls here are my stats ...i hope it helps
complete 15 / MH 35 / 583 complete provinces / 271 AW lvls / ss 4626 => 11,347 / 11412 [2020-03-24]
 

Deleted User - 3932582

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ignore my previous questions. i don't have info on level 1 its fight. i read your posts after i started spire yesterday. on 2nd level 9th encounter in high halls here are my stats ...i hope it helps
complete 15 / MH 35 / 583 complete provinces / 271 AW lvls / ss 4626 => 11,347 / 11412 [2020-03-24]
Thanks, I think your data would be very useful. Both you and @Enevhar Aldarion have the same (maxed out) regular squad size, so that's one less variable to worry about between you two.
 

Black watch

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Forgive me MiniMax. I saw this post too late to give you stats for the start.
Here are my stats for the start of High Halls (second level)
13 / 29 / 401 / 136 / 5382 / 5413 / 2020-03-25

I don't know if this other info will help too, but my normal squad size is 2844 and I've finished all the squad size upgrades in the research tree too.
 

Deleted User - 3932582

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I don't think I am speaking out of turn by saying that @MinMax Gamer IS interested in all the data he can get from all levels.
IMO, and I could be wrong, it would help identify what things do effect the Spire encounters and what do not.
Indeed so; just keep in mind that we're almost certain that research progression plays a role somehow, so that's more unknown factors which being in end-game (mostly) eliminates. This does mean that research progress information would probably be figured out the last...
 

Chriger

Member
14 / 32 / completed 385 / 113 / 2622 => 2050 / 911 [2020-03-29]

and

4 / 15 / completed 69 / 6 / 198 => 104 / 47 [2020-03-23]
4 / 15 / completed 76 / 6 / 198 => 107 / 48 [2020-03-29]
 
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