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Spire squad size calc - we need your data!

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Deleted User - 3932582

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15 / 35 / 478 / 160 / 3186 = 3304 / 1467 [2020-03-29]
At opening of Spire
Note: 2 more provinces and no AW upgrades since last week
This should be quite interesting as well. I assume a lot of people would have province changes this week due to event, so with AW changes that would make it muddy. Let's see if we can figure out province dependencies.
 

Deleted User - 3932582

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15 / 35 / 478 / 160 / 3186 = 3304 / 1467 [2020-03-29]
At opening of Spire
Note: 2 more provinces and no AW upgrades since last week
This is a great datapoint actually, assuming it's not a copy paste error ;) Your squad sizes stayed exactly the same week over week. This means several things right away:
- Number of open provinces is likely NOT a factor in Spire SS (or it is so small that 2 provinces do not move the needle)
- There are no Spire SS changes week over week due to different difficulty / tournament alignment etc (and I already have another datapoint from @samidodamage to confirm that)
 

Risen Malchiah

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I have 3 cities. Sorry I didn't notice this thread sooner to give you info for last week:

Risen Malchiah - ch 15 / MH 33 / 450 prov / AW 191 / 3042 => 3137 / 1393 [2020-03-29]
Janos Audron - ch 15 / MH 33 / 450 prov / AW 185 / 3033 => 3088 / 1372 [2020-03-29]
Nupraptor - ch 13 / MH 29 / 336 prov / AW 108 / 2040 => 1716 / 762 [2020-03-29]

Risen & Janos are both at the same point in the tech tree if that helps. (Final 2 techs in Elvenar chapter.)
 

Chriger

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- Number of open provinces is likely NOT a factor in Spire SS (or it is so small that 2 provinces do not move the needle)

In my chapter 4 city, the Spire SS changed with just completing more provinces, keeping everything else the same.

So provinces probably do impact it, just not as much for larger cities (i.e. might just be rounding).
 

Deleted User - 3932582

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In my chapter 4 city, the Spire SS changed with just completing more provinces, keeping everything else the same.
In chapter 4, have you contributed any KPs to research? I assumed that was the reason.
 

Chriger

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In chapter 4, have you contributed any KPs to research?

At least for the second week, I had completed the tech tree. Though not opened reward chest or started on advanced scout for next chapter.

Also between 1st/2nd week, I crossed the minimum 75 provinces required to move on to the next chapter.
 

Deleted User - 3932582

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At least for the second week, I had completed the tech tree.
Well, that's the question - if you haven't completed the research for chapter 4 in week 1 (2020-03-23), then this is likely the explanation for difference in Spire SS.
 

Enevhar Aldarion

Oh Wise One
Copying all mine into one post:

3-15-2020: End 15 - all research, including optional, done, so max normal SS of 4626/ MH 35/ completed provinces 541/ AW levels 165/ first fight on first floor - my squad: 3113 and enemy squad: 1383

3-23-2020: End 15/ MH 35/ 541 completed provinces/ 170 AW levels/ my SS 3157 and enemy SS 1402 - only change was AW levels

3-29-2020: End 15/ MH 35/ 547 competed provinces/ 173 AW levels/ my SS 3176 and enemy SS 1411 - AW levels and provinces increased

So 5 AW levels upped my SS by 44 last week, but 3 AW levels and 6 provinces only upped it by 19 this week. You would think 3 AW levels would do at least half what 5 did , but they did not. Are you sure troop-based AW levels do not matter more than non-military ones?
 

Deleted User - 3932582

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3-23-2020: End 15/ MH 35/ 541 completed provinces/ 170 AW levels/ my SS 3157 and enemy SS 1402 - only change was AW levels
So, was it 170 or 171 for 2020-03-23? You said that you had increase of 5 levels, and your previous one was 166...

Are you sure troop-based AW levels do not matter more than non-military ones?
I have no idea at this time, so start with a simpler hypothesis. We know that for Trader there is no differentiation for AW levels. It does matter for ranking points though, but it still doesn't depend on AW type/output, only KP invested. So it can be something similar here.
 

DeletedUser5371

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would data on exactly what AWs and levels between evener aldarion and me help explain the difference between us?
 

DeletedUser5371

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TS-6, NT-30, GA-11, MM-23, EE-6, CL-7, WR-6, MH-6, THM-6, PT-6, DB-17, BTG-6, HF-13, FA-13, FA-6, SSS-6, MDM-6, EE-6, DA-7, TT-6, VS-6, ETC-6, PP-7, ST-6, LGN-6, TW-23, SS-30, VS-7, TSY-3.
 

Deleted User - 3932582

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15 / 35 / 505 / 268 / 3573 => 4197 / 1864 [Mar 29 2020]
Hm, that's another interesting result. You and @hondamike are very close on total AW levels; you also have much smaller number of provinces (505 vs 583), and yet your Spire SS is significantly higher than hondamike's (4197 vs 3782). Provinces may not play a role at all as discussed above, so there is that.

You do, however, have significantly smaller regular SS. This might be an indication of negative loading on regular SS, meaning the higher your regular SS is, the lower your Spire SS will be.

This also may be an indication of differentiation between different AWs, but that would be difficult to impossible to establish by random observation; this will need several people running dedicated experiments.
 

Deleted User - 3932582

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would data on exactly what AWs and levels between evener aldarion and me help explain the difference between us?
That's way too many variables to make a call on that based on existing observations, especially given how far apart you're on AWs. I can say that so far most of the data still lines up fairly well for 1 AW level ~= 6-7 base Spire SS.

So between you and @Enevhar Aldarion you have no differences in research and regular squad size (maxed), and your provinces are somewhat close (may not matter at all). But you're almost 100 AW levels apart. And your base Spire squad sizes are somewhat more than 600 units apart. So that's roughly in line with the number above.
 
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