Spire/Tournament squad size calc - we need your data! [Part 2]

[Deleted User - 3932582]

[Original Part 1 thread]

Alright, it is time to get back to the Spire data collection. You may have missed it, but incoming 1.111 update is going to change the Spire SS calculation. As obviously no one is going to tell us what it is and what it actually does, we'll have to figure it out ourselves. This is also a prep work for incoming tournament changes that are based on the same formula.

So looking for the same data as in the Part 1 thread above. Especially looking for the same people who have already went through this exercise and know exactly what they're doing. But of course everyone is welcome Ideally you'd get data from this week's Spire to begin with, so we know that your data is clean (this week's data should match pretty much exactly with the current formula).

So start posting/PM with this week's Spire if you can recover the parameters (remember, you need to report inputs as they were at the time the Spire spawns on Sunday).
Thanks!

EDIT: Now that the new tournament is in, please post your tournament squad sizes. Same data, except use tournament squad size in max encounter. Thanks.

 

[Deleted User - 4646370]

My two cities :
The first one is Elven and ended chapter 16, so M=410 (i think we should now count the final techs ?)
199 AW levels and an upgrading AW, so A=200 right ?
118 expansions, 5 of these being premium.
With this I have a base Spire squad size of 3605, instead of the 3595 given by old formula.

The second one is Elven, 12 techs researched in chapter 12 but skipped the semi-mandatory SSU 16 in Dwarves so M=272.
64 AW levels and 91 expansions, 5 of these being premium, and I have a base Spire SS of 1094 (instead of 1142 with the old formula.)

Edit : Relic boosts are indeed 700% for both cities.

 

[DeletedUser19014]

Chapter 16 city, all non-optional research complete except for one of the final Wonders.
128 expansions total. 12 I think are premium? (Next premium costs 4300 diamonds).
259 AW levels listed on the Trader; two are currently upgrading, in case that makes a difference.
Max relic boosts.
Squad size in first Spire chamber 4268.

 

[Deleted User - 3932582]

Chapter 16 city, all non-optional research complete except for one of the final Wonders.
128 expansions total. 12 I think are premium? (Next premium costs 4300 diamonds).
259 AW levels listed on the Trader; two are currently upgrading, in case that makes a difference.
Max relic boosts.
Squad size in first Spire chamber 4268.

ElvenStats reports that you have 261 AW levels, and that lines up better with what I'd expect. Do you by any chance have/had a couple of AWs upgrading?

 

[Deleted User - 4750465]

I'll post mine this upcoming Sunday, but I have noticed a large increase in convince costs. I did add three expansions and a few researches, so it's hard to be objective.

 

[DeletedUser19014]

ElvenStats reports that you have 261 AW levels, and that lines up better with what I'd expect. Do you by any chance have/had a couple of AWs upgrading?

Yes, I said that in the text: "259 AW levels listed on the Trader; two are currently upgrading, in case that makes a difference". So apparently it does make a difference.

 

[Socrates28]

Sorry MinMax just saw the new thread. I am already on upgrade 111 so data is not clean as requested. I will get data as of 8/30 and will give the data of where I am now in the Spire in another post.

 

[Socrates28]

@MinMax Gamer Current Info:
16 / 37 / 524 / 187 / 3537 / 143 : ? / All mandatory research completed / 16236 / 17630 (L3 - 5th battle; just past first gate) 08/24/2020
Next Premium Expansion costs 10,500 diamonds
If you give me the break down on expansions I will use those numbers going forward.

 

[Deleted User - 3932582]

Yes, I said that in the text: "259 AW levels listed on the Trader; two are currently upgrading, in case that makes a difference". So apparently it does make a difference.

But reading till the end of a sentence is hard!

 

[Deleted User - 3932582]

@MinMax Gamer Current Info:
16 / 37 / 524 / 187 / 3537 / 143 : ? / All mandatory research completed / 16236 / 17630 (L3 - 5th battle; just past first gate) 08/24/2020
Next Premium Expansion costs 10,500 diamonds
If you give me the break down on expansions I will use those numbers going forward.

I can use 10,500 directly, but it is 26 premiums if you want to know.

 

[Deleted User - 4646370]

Data from my family :
End-game Elven city with all expansions and 507 AW levels --> Spire SS 6935 in first encounter
Elven city ending chapter 13 (4 mandatory techs still to be done, so M=318), 106 expansions (9 premium) and 78 AW levels --> Spire SS 1616 in first encounter
Elven city starting chapter 14 (2 techs done, so M=324), 110 expansions (10 premium) and 65 AW levels --> Spire SS 1667 in first encounter
(All relic boosts at 700% for all cities.)

 

[Deleted User - 3932582]

Data from my family :
End-game Elven city with all expansions and 507 AW levels --> Spire SS 6935 in first encounter
Elven city ending chapter 13 (4 mandatory techs still to be done, so M=318), 106 expansions (9 premium) and 78 AW levels --> Spire SS 1616 in first encounter
Elven city starting chapter 14 (2 techs done, so M=324), 110 expansions (10 premium) and 65 AW levels --> Spire SS 1667 in first encounter
(All relic boosts at 700% for all cities.)

Is it possible that these cities had 1-2 fewer AW levels at the time the Spire spawned?

 

[Deleted User - 4646370]

Is it possible that these cities had 1-2 fewer AW levels at the time the Spire spawned?

The first one actually had 506+1 upgrading AW levels when Spire spawned, but I think upgrading AWs count. For other cities I reported the numbers at the time Spire spawned.

 

[Deleted User - 3932582]

https://minmaxgame.com/tournament-and-spire-requirements-2020/

 

[Socrates28]

16 / 37 / 524 / 187 / 3537 / 143 : 26 premium / All mandatory research completed / 12,224 / 12,294 (Second level 5th fight) 08/31/2020

 

[Deleted User - 3932582]

16 / 37 / 524 / 187 / 3537 / 143 : 26 premium / All mandatory research completed / 12,224 / 12,294 (Second level 5th fight) 08/31/2020

Unless I am missing something, you reported no changes in parameters since last week. Yet your SSS increased. If I plug your numbers into the current model, then this week matches pretty well, but the last week look like something with 185 AW levels, not 187.

 

[KarlD]

chapter/ MH level / Open provinces / AW levels / SS size / Total placed expansions [ResearchExp : Premium Exp] / Total unlocked mandatory research => own Spire squad size / enemy Spire squad size [date]

16 / 37 / 518 / 237 / 3711 / 128 / Completed Chapter 16 => 4126 / 1832 08/30/2020

Sorry, but I'm not sure how many expansions I purchased, but I placed all that I got from research. Also not sure how many mandatory researches there are through chapter 16. Also it's possible I could have been upgrading an AW at the time the Spire started. I have 237 AW levels after any upgrades completed.

 

[DeletedUser5371]

16 / 37MH / 618Prov / 334AW / 5316SS .....4932/2190 8/30/2020 all research possible done ( might have had 1AW level not upgraded at start of spire)

 

[DeletedUser5371]

132 expansions

 

[Socrates28]

Unless I am missing something, you reported no changes in parameters since last week. Yet your SSS increased. If I plug your numbers into the current model, then this week matches pretty well, but the last week look like something with 185 AW levels, not 187.

I doubt your calculations are incorrect. I must have made a mistake somehow in the AW levels either this week or last. Sorry about that.