Tournament Changes

[Deleted User - 4646370]

My main issue now is that I destroyed my level 35 needles 2 weeks ago , KP ain't the issue, it's the upgrade times that take so long

Voluntarily because of tournament penalty or by accident ? Bonus damage to LR + boost barracks production seems like a good wonder. Or did you want to get rid of the last not-so-good levels and are rebuilding it to level 30 ?

 

[Deleted User - 1178646]

Voluntarily because of tournament penalty or by accident ? Bonus damage to LR + boost barracks production seems like a good wonder. Or did you want to get rid of the last not-so-good levels and are rebuilding it to level 30 ?

Accidentely off course

Otherwise there is no reason to rebuild it. it's level 11 again, so it's starting to loook somewhat decent again. as soon as it's out of scaffolding it's filled and immediatly put back into scaffolding. but it will take a lot of time to rebuild

 

[Darielle]

I am almost certain that this is my last post on this Forum. I will still read & lurk, when in the mood...but I am almost completely disengaged with the game now & without that, as much as I love this Forum, it seems moot to me.

I'd be sorry to see you go; your posts are valuable here.

 

[Mykan]

Okay, so you do that many less, so? Less rewards? Less able to help getting 10 chests. Still missing what is missing.

Your missing the fairness and what happens to your town if you fast forward the clock. It is possible (at least currently understood) for some players to continue to obtain high scores but not all players. Free to play dwarf towns can now easily outscore an late game diamond town while the dwarf town grows and tournies while the later town has to choose between progressing and less tourny or staying still and destroying armies until nothing is left.

There is also fairness issues in manual verse auto combat when masses of players don't have that choice. More I could say but it has been said and said and said by many players on many forums.

 

[GlamDoll]

I'd be sorry to see you go; your posts are valuable here.

That is very kind of you & I am speechless. I want to stay, but I barely manage to even log my city once a day for about 30 minutes.
I love looking at my city, but that is not enough for me....and I certainly don't want to advance anything else with it. I still find some fun in Spire & am hanging on to that by a thread as is it. Thank you again. May you be blessed.

 

[Darielle]

That is very kind of you & I am speechless. I want to stay, but I barely manage to even log my city once a day for about 30 minutes.
I love looking at my city, but that is not enough for me....and I certainly don't want to advance anything else with it. I still find some fun in Spire & am hanging on to that by a thread as is it. Thank you again. May you be blessed.

And you also.

 

[Meggi]

So apparently 32 pages of us complaining and discussing the new tourney have done nothing so far.Apparently there are not enough of "facts only" contributions on the "other thread" that the Nightguest has created for us to prove the points .I am sorry to bother you all, and I know we have been all discouraged with INNO not hearing us, but if you have any "facts only" contribution , would you be so kind to share?And also, would you be so kind to contact costumer support as well?Thank you all..

 

[Meggi]

So, I'm confused on the top players/fellowship complaints. Is it that you now have to spend more troops/resources to get 10 chests? Is it that the way the top 50 will go and who gets a few ranking points? Is it that you could do tons of providences and not have to get 6 stars. I mean, just what am I missing?

Ibison, with new tourney, where you have used to get all of the KP's, rune shreds , relics, that you needed to support your advanced city, you can't do that anymore.It might not look that important to you know, but the game forces you not to advance your city because it is not sustainable in later chapters.The whole point of this game was to advance your city further , to grow, to expand, to advance your AW's, and its not just about ranking points, that would be the least of my worries.The point is, you get punished for your advancing your city.So you have two choices, to advance your city and get tourney that is not sustainable to fight , or keep you city as is, and just do well in tourneys.
I hope you get that point and we have filled out the blanks for you.This used to be a game that it requires a hard work to advance but you get your rewards accordingly, not so anymore.
Take it from someone who has been around from the beginnings of this game.

 

[GlamDoll]

Ibison, with new tourney, where you have used to get all of the KP's, rune shreds , relics, that you needed to support your advanced city, you can't do that anymore.It might not look that important to you know, but the game forces you not to advance your city because it is not sustainable in later chapters.The whole point of this game was to advance your city further , to grow, to expand, to advance your AW's, and its not just about ranking points, that would be the least of my worries.The point is, you get punished for your advancing your city.So you have two choices, to advance your city and get tourney that is not sustainable to fight , or keep you city as is, and just do well in tourneys.
I hope you get that point and we have filled out the blanks for you.This used to be a game that it requires a hard work to advance but you get your rewards accordingly, not so anymore.
Take it from someone who has been around from the beginnings of this game.

They all will get it...in the end. And I was tryingy to race to the top , in hopes of being in a top FS. LOL!!! One does not simply race to the top in Elvenar, but many believe they are on the fast track now. I can't blame them though, I was suckered too.....

NEXT!

Edit: the facts for me? Game is dead. Period.

 

[ET-inf3rno]

Somebody wrote the formula for tournament difficulty in this thread. I forgot where I read it and this thread is very long... Can you post it again? I want to figure out if removing some AWs have a significant effect on difficulty. Currently I have 238 levels, I removed my blooming trader, because it is pretty much useless for me, but I have many other buildings I could get rid of, for example the pyramid or the temple of toads. They produce some units and give some extra damage, but if the increased difficulty costs more units, then better to remove them.

 

[Pheryll]

Somebody wrote the formula for tournament difficulty in this thread. I forgot where I read it and this thread is very long... Can you post it again?

This is @MinMax Gamer's one updated on 08/26/2020

City Advancement Level = 0.6887 * (min(MaxB, 700%) + 1) * 1.0045^M * (0.003A + 1) * (V + 0.66P - 4.5)

where
MaxB = maximum boost percentage for T1, T2, T3 goods
M = number of mandatory researches
A = total number of AW levels
V = total number of non-premium provinces (this includes the initial 6)
P = total number of premium provinces

 

[ET-inf3rno]

This is @MinMax Gamer's one updated on 08/26/2020

City Advancement Level = 0.6887 * (min(MaxB, 700%) + 1) * 1.0045^M * (0.003A + 1) * (V + 0.66P - 4.5)

where
MaxB = maximum boost percentage for T1, T2, T3 goods
M = number of mandatory researches
A = total number of AW levels
V = total number of non-premium provinces (this includes the initial 6)
P = total number of premium provinces

Thanks! I am not sure about the MaxB and the M. I have +700% relic boost, but I have a level 13 mountain halls too, which gives +80% boost. Is that included too and do I count with the extra or the total number, so 780% or 880%? As of the mandatory researches you mean really all of them, not just the mandatory SSUs? Is there a calculator for the number of the non-premium and premium provinces?

 

[Pheryll]

MaxB is set to max out at 700% (which is what min(MaxB, 700%) means). It is unknown what happens if you have the mountain halls but have not yet maxed out your T1, T2, or T3 relic bonus.

Mandatory techs are indeed all technologies that are required for other technologies. MinMax put out a nice table at the end of his blog post (referenced in previous post) showing the number you would have at the end of each chapter.

You can find total expansions either by elvenstats, or by arranging your expansions in a rectangular form to make counting easier. The number of these that are premium can be looked up here. Find the cost of your next premium expansion and cross-reference that with the table entry. Note that only expansions that are placed count. If you are holding them in reserve and haven't placed them yet, then they will not count.

 

[ET-inf3rno]

MaxB is set to max out at 700% (which is what min(MaxB, 700%) means). It is unknown what happens if you have the mountain halls but have not yet maxed out your T1, T2, or T3 relic bonus.

Mandatory techs are indeed all technologies that are required for other technologies.

You can find total expansions either by elvenstats, or by arranging your expansions in a rectangular form to make counting easier. The number of these that are premium can be looked up here. Find the cost of your next premium expansion and cross-reference that with the table entry. Note that only expansions that are placed count. If you are holding them in reserve and haven't placed them yet, then they will not count.

Ohh thanks, I think I can count them by arranging them.

 

[ET-inf3rno]

Okay, I calculated it:

0.6887 * (7 + 1) * 1.0045^388 * (0.003*231 + 1) * (116 + 0.66*20 - 4.5)
= 0.6887 * 8 * 5.7092 * 1.693 * 124.7
= 6641

I am not sure how this is related to tournament squad size. Is it the actual number? Looks like it depends mostly on the expansion count, not the research or AW levels. What about the spire squad size?

 

[ET-inf3rno]

I checked the MinMax description meanwhile: https://minmaxgame.com/city-advancement-level-model-2020/ It is pretty accurate, It has less than 1% error compared to what I really have in the spire and on tournaments.

 

[Pheryll]

Sorry for not including that.

First Spire encounter is 0.58 * CAL
First Star of first tournament province is 0.1159 * CAL

 

[ET-inf3rno]

Sorry for not including that.

First Spire encounter is 0.58 * CAL
First Star of first tournament province is 0.1159 * CAL

NP, I copied the sheet I found on the site. It counts everything for me.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

NP, I copied the sheet I found on the site. It counts everything for me.

Also, if the numbers were done correctly, and you change nothing in your city between Spire start and tournament start, your squad size for the first fight in the Spire should be about equal to your squad size in the 1st star of the 5th province.

 

[ET-inf3rno]

Also, if the numbers were done correctly, and you change nothing in your city between Spire start and tournament start, your squad size for the first fight in the Spire should be about equal to your squad size in the 1st star of the 5th province.

Thanks! It does not really matter though. I needed only the 0.3% per AW level and the 0.8-2% per expansion info to calculate the value of my AWs. I removed only the bee so far. Even very basic AWs like the GA are uncertain. If I had the space maybe I would remove them. It would be a hard decision, because I have a level 21 GA. At least the level 30 simia is certainly good to have and it turned out that my level 21 TW is a big luxury, but I love zero cooldown, so I'll keep that too.