CrazyWizard
Oh Wise One
I might be mistaken, am sure I read they were including factory numbers and such in the calculation
Relic bonus (with a max of 700%)
It does not matter is it's T1 T2 or T3, it just grabs the highest of the 3.
I might be mistaken, am sure I read they were including factory numbers and such in the calculation
I tought the exact same thing Mykan, but I didn't see it in minMax's calculation so i assumed i was wrong. So was kinda interested by your comment as wellI might be mistaken, am sure I read they were including factory numbers and such in the calculation
Steel I can usually be in the top 5 on our server. This go around I only got to 29. Going all out as normal. Higher was possible, but not sustainable and without long term damage to future tournies.@ElegantZara
Number 1 should still be number 1 when the dust settles. The dust has not settled yet. Not everyone has gone all out yet. Are the new "champs" repeat performers?
I see this too. I was missing the implied "I worked for years to get to the top".i'm reading a lot of i don't see my name at the top of a list
a giant loophole still in the tournament scoring system,
Steel I can usually be in the top 5 on our server. This go around I only got to 29. Going all out as normal. Higher was possible, but not sustainable and without long term damage to future tournies.
@ElegantZara
The drop was a lot more than that. The question is, is the drop balanced.
Number 1 should still be number 1 when the dust settles. The dust has not settled yet. Not everyone has gone all out yet. Are the new "champs" repeat performers?
How are other players free of this limit?The real stink of it is that Other Players are free of this limit.
How are other players free of this limit?
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There are actions in this game that you either cannot undo (unlocking research, placing expansions), or it is extremely expensive to do so (tearing down developed AWs). Newer players can adjust to the new environment by taking actions that are effective and efficient on a going forward basis, to get to the new optimal equilibrium. Unfortunately, outside of starting a new city from scratch, highly optimized cities for the old regime are mechanically unable to reach this new equilibrium because of the above.How are other players free of this limit?
There are actions in this game that you either cannot undo (unlocking research, placing expansions), or it is extremely expensive to do so (tearing down developed AWs). Newer players can adjust to the new environment by taking actions that are effective and efficient on a going forward basis, to get to the new optimal equilibrium. Unfortunately, outside of starting a new city from scratch, highly optimized cities for the old regime are mechanically unable to reach this new equilibrium because of the above.
That is the rub...Yes, that is perhaps a tighter focus on the point. .
Building a City, directed at Tournament Success, is no longer viable.
Using Tournament Success as a tool to Build your City is no longer viable.
Using Tournament Success as a tool to measure your success against others is no longer viable.
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Thank you so much for this thoughtful answer. I don't envy you the task of trying to honestly evaluate something while dealing with all the upset players. It would be irresponsible to promise anything, and I'm glad you chose the honest path. You have a tough job, and I for one appreciate you doing it. Thank you.Alright folks, how's it going?
Ok, I know that it's not going that well right now, I've been talking to some of you privately, have read this thread, and I do get where you're all coming from.
Truth be told, @helya and I have spent pretty much the entire day talking-somewhat-sternly (make of that what you will) to a few people in Innogames regarding this entire situation and I do have a 'sort of' update for you - but it is not a final/fixed answer just yet.
Why no solid answer you ask?
That is simply due to the complexity of this topic and all of the 'if/else if/else' modifiers that each individual player throws out when taking deeper dive into it.
Here's an example for you (this happened today):
Reading through this thread I'd say that the majority of points (pro and con) that have been brought up are valid. That said, valid and factually correct are not the same. Take the perceived role of the AW levels in the tournament as an example. For the majority of players, the role of the AW level has been greatly exaggerated and is not the controlling factor of the tournament state. However, I used the word majority and not 'all' as we (Helya, myself, and the leads for Elvenar at Inno) have been looking at the accounts of some of the more vocal people involved in this thread on a case by case basis.
The results of this were quite interesting and it essentially showed the Inno team that they do need to look into the tournament performance on a more individual basis (player by player) instead of an average of the server(s) - and that is what they are doing now. What's more, I have been looking at the various formulas that have been made by the community for the tournament system and cannot verify that they are entirely accurate. That said, I'm not saying that they are definitely wrong, what I mean is that the entire thing is rather complex and I will give you some answer only when I am certain of being correct (the last thing I want to do is look like an idj-stick getting facts wrong).
The certainty aspect is the other reason why I do not have a solid answer yet. I have been looking into what the actual Innogames design is for the tournament and let's say that within 10 min of reading the first page, my head started to spin even though I was on the peak effectiveness of my prescribed Concerta pills I felt my brain itch. Wtf do I mean by that? It means that I'm going to bury myself into the design docs tonight/tomorrow/however long to understand it by heart, then get the team to verify that I got it right, and only then get back to you regarding where (if at all) the main mistakes have been made in regards to the formula for tournaments.
Now I need to be entirely clear, this DOES NOT MEAN that I am promising a change, nor do I even want to give the impression that the scales are tipped either way - what it means is that the scales are being looked at as new evidence has been brought to light. Until today that was not the case.
I really need you all to understand the importance of me saying that this is not a promise/hint/commitment as if rumors start that I am promising something it will spiral out of control extremely fast and I will be told to stfu until a final decision is made which will simply be far worse for the community. I am writing this to you 'now' as I do not feel that it is right to wait for a decision to be made and that you all deserve to know what is going on behind the scenes.
What's more, in the interest of some transparency, I do want to make clear that this is not going to be a quick decision either. The team looking into this have stated that as the tournament system is now open to far more players than before (and from what we've found looking at a select few individuals) they need to now expand the 'individual account research' and compare it to the previous assumptions, estimations, and calculated predictions.
Ok, I've rambled on a bit too long here - but I hope that you can follow what we (Helya and I) have been doing with Inno - and know that we are doing our best to shed some light on this all - and more. We only ask that you be patient with us this was never going to be a quick fix.
I will make a commitment to you all to be much more active on these forums and really engage with you to get to the heart of your thoughts and concerns, so I encourage anyone/everyone to point their own feelings (pro/con) of the new tournament system - if they have not done so already.
I'll see what more I can do for you to improve communications over the next few days as well.
Now that some level of communication is open it would be nice if as a community we can be respectful to Nightguest and Helya.
Thank you.I'll see what more I can do for you to improve communications over the next few days as well.
I'm sure the equations developed by the community aren't the way the program actually computes the base squad size. The equation is just a model which seem to have a high degree of accuracy with reality due to people providing a lot of data about their city and the base tourney squad size. Using @MinMax Gamer's spreadsheet, my expected tourney size differed from the actual by 0.2% last week and by 0.1% this week. So, his model is a very good predictor, which is all you can ask from a model.What's more, I have been looking at the various formulas that have been made by the community for the tournament system and cannot verify that they are entirely accurate.
I used the word majority and not 'all' as we (Helya, myself, and the leads for Elvenar at Inno) have been looking at the accounts of some of the more vocal people involved in this thread on a case by case basis.
Now I need to be entirely clear, this DOES NOT MEAN that I am promising a change, nor do I even want to give the impression that the scales are tipped either way - what it means is that the scales are being looked at as new evidence has been brought to light. Until today that was not the case.
I really need you all to understand the importance of me saying that this is not a promise/hint/commitment as if rumors start that I am promising something it will spiral out of control extremely fast and I will be told to stfu until a final decision is made which will simply be far worse for the community. I am writing this to you 'now' as I do not feel that it is right to wait for a decision to be made and that you all deserve to know what is going on behind the scenes.
What's more, in the interest of some transparency, I do want to make clear that this is not going to be a quick decision either. The team looking into this have stated that as the tournament system is now open to far more players than before (and from what we've found looking at a select few individuals) they need to now expand the 'individual account research' and compare it to the previous assumptions, estimations, and calculated predictions.