ajqtrz
Chef - loquacious Old Dog
Let's face it, many of the people who should be reading this may have already made it so they don't see it. I'm aware of a propensity for people to be surprised when they encounter a forceful disagreement, forcefully argued. And then, in frustration with not being able to "slay the dragon" get frustrated and decide they just don't want to hear the speaker anymore. That's their right according to the rules of most forums. So here are some ideas about when to block and when not to do so.
When to block.
1) Consistent name calling. Consistent name calling is a pretty good indication that the person isn't interested in discussing anything. This includes anything which puts you down as a person or seems to needlessly call your character into question. Block.
2) Consistent discussion of your motivations. Generally a person attacking your motives is side-stepping the issue and thus, derailing the topic. If they are consistently doing this, Block.
3) Consistent Fallacies. Everybody makes mistakes. Ad Populum, Ad hominem, and other fallacies are common. The best you can do is point them out as they are not useful. Of course the person can deny they are the type of fallacy you think they are (and you could be wrong) but if they are consistent and the person denies them over and over when they are clear, no point in continuing reading bad reasoning. Block.
As I said, everyone makes mistakes. It's the consistency of these things which should lead you to hit "block."
When not to block.
1) Consistent argument. Yep, just because a person continues to argue doesn't mean they should be blocked. Look for argument development. If they are changing their reasoning and ideas it actually means they are engaged in thinking about what the subject. The more people do that, the better. Don't block, read.
2) Forceful argument. Just because they say it strongly doesn't mean they should be blocked. Debate is, at it's best, a platform of intense and powerful arguments striking each other. That produces sparks. Those sparks may light a fire of change in the minds of the listener. A forceful argument? Don't block, read.
3) Emotionally Challenging Arguments. You may not like it, but being wrong is embarrassing. It's painful to have to entertain the idea that you may have been wrong about something for a long, long time. Especially in a public debate where others are watching. Most people who debate in public are what Plato would probably have called "guardians." As such they take a stance and feel they are there to "guard" the position for all those who agree and are watching. They are the "champion" and it's important, therefore, to "win." Sadly that means they may have extra reasons to hold to their position, even to avoid engaging in ideas that are challenging. Nobody likes to publically admit they were wrong, and if you are the "champion" of an idea you lose a lot in doing so. But refusing to listen to emotionally challenging arguments? Don't block, read.
So as long as the first three reasons for blocking are not present, don't block. If you feel tempted to do so, it's probably one of the three "don't block" reasons and maybe blocking isn't such a good idea.
Finally, if you find you are often tempted to block for one of the three reasons given for "don't block" then maybe public debate isn't for you. Real debate is tough slogging and most people find it very distasteful. Everybody want's to be right and nobody want's to be wrong. In a public debate though, you are often revealing you are wrong, and that's not an easy thing. So best to just stay out of it until you have prepared and are ready to stand toe to toe with the other side.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
AJ
When to block.
1) Consistent name calling. Consistent name calling is a pretty good indication that the person isn't interested in discussing anything. This includes anything which puts you down as a person or seems to needlessly call your character into question. Block.
2) Consistent discussion of your motivations. Generally a person attacking your motives is side-stepping the issue and thus, derailing the topic. If they are consistently doing this, Block.
3) Consistent Fallacies. Everybody makes mistakes. Ad Populum, Ad hominem, and other fallacies are common. The best you can do is point them out as they are not useful. Of course the person can deny they are the type of fallacy you think they are (and you could be wrong) but if they are consistent and the person denies them over and over when they are clear, no point in continuing reading bad reasoning. Block.
As I said, everyone makes mistakes. It's the consistency of these things which should lead you to hit "block."
When not to block.
1) Consistent argument. Yep, just because a person continues to argue doesn't mean they should be blocked. Look for argument development. If they are changing their reasoning and ideas it actually means they are engaged in thinking about what the subject. The more people do that, the better. Don't block, read.
2) Forceful argument. Just because they say it strongly doesn't mean they should be blocked. Debate is, at it's best, a platform of intense and powerful arguments striking each other. That produces sparks. Those sparks may light a fire of change in the minds of the listener. A forceful argument? Don't block, read.
3) Emotionally Challenging Arguments. You may not like it, but being wrong is embarrassing. It's painful to have to entertain the idea that you may have been wrong about something for a long, long time. Especially in a public debate where others are watching. Most people who debate in public are what Plato would probably have called "guardians." As such they take a stance and feel they are there to "guard" the position for all those who agree and are watching. They are the "champion" and it's important, therefore, to "win." Sadly that means they may have extra reasons to hold to their position, even to avoid engaging in ideas that are challenging. Nobody likes to publically admit they were wrong, and if you are the "champion" of an idea you lose a lot in doing so. But refusing to listen to emotionally challenging arguments? Don't block, read.
So as long as the first three reasons for blocking are not present, don't block. If you feel tempted to do so, it's probably one of the three "don't block" reasons and maybe blocking isn't such a good idea.
Finally, if you find you are often tempted to block for one of the three reasons given for "don't block" then maybe public debate isn't for you. Real debate is tough slogging and most people find it very distasteful. Everybody want's to be right and nobody want's to be wrong. In a public debate though, you are often revealing you are wrong, and that's not an easy thing. So best to just stay out of it until you have prepared and are ready to stand toe to toe with the other side.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
AJ