Darielle
Chef, Scroll-Keeper, and Buddy Fan Club Member
This is a far more winnable situation than if you'd gotten five "wrongs" the first round. The math proves that.
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An Interesting Case of Spire Catering
- Thread starter Moho
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elvenbee
Well-Known Member
I fight until I can't, then I cater in the spire using the Spire Wizard for Elvenar. Thanks to the creator! It typically works for me, I've only had a few instances (one of them being my fault) where I had to go past the three rounds and do a fourth round.
Rythel
Active Member
I agree with Darielle on this point. If there's only 5 resources to chose from getting all "Wrong Person" really doesn't tell you anything at all. Sure you've eliminated a single resource on each spirit, but I feel there are significantly better starting points for those smaller encounters. My luck must also be terrible with all "Wrong Person" as I rarely get it right. I do just shift one to the left, so maybe I should go the opposite way lol.
I do love it when I have 6+ resources as I've effectively eliminated 1 or more resource AND got to eliminated additional resources per spirit. I will play those rounds out, but have noticed that I still lose more frequently than if I had restarted and gotten more "Nobody Needs This". I also tend use the same breakpoints as Darielle, 2 "Wrong Person" for 6 resource encounters and 3 "Wrong Person" for 7+ resource encounters.
This is so true! I've been short on Orcs recently and the past two weeks asked for Orcs in almost every single encounter. When I avoided guessing it when I was down to a 50/50 it tended to be orcs as well.
Mrietha
Active Member
What is the Spire Wizard?
Moho
Chef
SecondBestPolicy
Member
I'm going to give shifting one to the right a try. It's a long shot, but perhaps the games RNG has a flaw that's uncovered by this technique. Mathematically there is nothing special about shifting, so it's either a bug or luck.
Moho
Chef
I am not sure about that. Math fails to explain every little aspect of our lives or else the weather were 100% predictable. It's not.
For instance, statistically speaking I am only a high school graduate.
Even in physics when you start measuring certain attributes, there may be other aspects of reality that become opaque and impossible to comprehend.
I finished catering the Spire in my first city in 35 minutes. I'm pretty sure that defies math too.
I don't really believe in luck. I don't even know a good definition for it.
In my book, there are actions and results. I always try to acquire the right skills to fulfill my goals. I've always been sad when people call me lucky and fail to see beyond what they call luck.
Think about the rock-paper-scissors championship. Do you think rock-paper-scissors champions rely on luck? Or on math?
No.
Moho
Chef
See the post above.
Darielle
Chef, Scroll-Keeper, and Buddy Fan Club Member
If you don't believe in luck or math, do you think it's pure intuition? Are some people more psychic than others? Or do you think other factors come into play? I remember when I was a kid, my sister and I used to think up numbers between 1 and 10 and startle our friends because we always picked the same numbers. Some people accused us of cheating, but we didn't. I think we just knew each other so well, so it wasn't really psychic powers but more an understanding of the other person. I'm just wondering what you think it is. I personally think you're lucky ... which is a good thing. I know if I'm on a 50/50 guess in the spire, I almost always lose, lol.
In any case, with math and statistics you can calculate odds. For five items, getting five "wrong person" will give you the lowest odds of winning a hand. You may beat those odds and have a different result, but on average, most people won't.
That's why I usually stick to the math. I cater at least half of the spire most weeks, and I always win at least double the diamonds I spend, so it works out. I've taught the same methods to my fellowship to improve their odds, and now we can get gold a lot more often than before.
But yours seems to work for you, so I say you're right to do what is best for you!
Katwick
Cartographer
BUT, when you occasionally have to guess, use something that EXCEEDS your other needs.
Mrietha
Active Member
Thank you!!!!Here.
I'm going to give it a try, particularly on 6 and above.
I think my own average is better than what is predicted without the wizard.
I use logic, intuition - which I believe is partly knowledge you "don't know you have."
And Superstition? - the ghosts are less likely to ask for mana and orcs than for other resources.
Iyapo
Personal Conductor
@Darielle , lol....
I think I am just really good at the spire! And whenever my head gets too big I run headfirst into an Evil Spire, my luck turns and I get smacked left and right, wrung out and dang near bankrupted! Proving that I am not any good at all!
It is gambling and I treat it as such!
I think I am just really good at the spire! And whenever my head gets too big I run headfirst into an Evil Spire, my luck turns and I get smacked left and right, wrung out and dang near bankrupted! Proving that I am not any good at all!
It is gambling and I treat it as such!
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TimeMachine
Well-Known Member
Although it might feel different from person to person, I am totally with you on this one because I've experienced exactly the same very often!
Just a glimpse at suplies and coins storage and having goods a little balanced always seemed enough preparation to me.
If you don't know what is going to be short at next you don't even think of any crazy workarounds to try.
That's the way convincing in the spire is more relaxed. If you don't care what you are short of, it is easier possible to only concentrate on covincing.
Sometimes, If the spire wants to be polite and helpfull, it just asks for the goods you have in storage even if you had not checked before.
I never even tried to use the spire wizzard I am just like @Mrietha counting on logic, intution and my personal experiences I made over the last 3 years.
A thread like this one we are already writing in would be really nice! I would appreciate it very much and many players could be interested in a thread like this I guess.
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Darielle
Chef, Scroll-Keeper, and Buddy Fan Club Member
Me too, lol
TimeMachine
Well-Known Member
Here is another interesting case of spire negotiation:
Darielle
Chef, Scroll-Keeper, and Buddy Fan Club Member
I got 5 supplies last week. Really shocked because it was in the lab. I never get that lucky in the lab, lol.
TimeMachine
Well-Known Member
BrinDarby
Well-Known Member
is that your standard opening with 5 choices ??
in that I mean tools/coins were last ? and you
used 1 of each.....
We all have our own ways of doing things, I would have gone From Left to right in this order:
coins
supplies
mana
marble
gems
But that is just how my brain works.
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