WolfieDogElf
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Hi um who loves the game? I will take vote and see who Likes the game and who LOVES the game
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ajqtrz
Chef - loquacious Old Dog
If one loves the game does that mean he/she might be sacrificing something in RL that they shoulding in the long run? Like time with a spouse, kids, friends, dog, cat, goldfish? (Okay, skip the goldfish. I mean really, what are people thinking when they have a goldfish for a pet?) But you get the point. Love is insanity, as many poets have claimed.
AJ
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Moho
Chef
And science makes the world go round, doesn't it.
Flashfyre
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Actually, gravitational attraction makes the world go 'round, but science had a hand in it.
Moho
Chef
It did, didn't it.
The concept of gravitational attraction did not exist thousands of years ago. No one could imagine that the wide array of terrestrial and celestial movements were caused by a single force and governed by one and the same formula.
The force that we call gravity was theorized by Newton in the second half of the 17th century, when he postulated that bodies or particles all over the creation attracted one another with a force that was directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between their centers.
The Newtoniean mechanical universe is obsolete nowadays. We live under the rule of Einstein's worldview, where gravity is no longer regarded as a force, but a curvature in a 4-dimensional space-time fabric. According to general relativity, our impression that gravity represents a force is nothing but an illusion. In fact, there is no gravity and all we see are bodies in free fall. Everything follows a downward slope through spacetime. Energy tells spacetime how to bend, and the bending of spacetime tells that energy how to move.
However, gravitational attraction seems to be back in quantum gravity, where the graviton is considered to mediate the force that we hold as gravity. In string theory, the graviton is a massless state of a fundamental string.
Bottom line? If science attempts to unify relativity with quantum mechanics by presenting us with Laputian alternatives of reality, @Flashfyre please leave science out of an unpretentious poll that simply aims to survey players' general impression of the game they play.
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Iyapo1
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Watch "How People Think Our Solar System Works" on YouTube https://youtube.com/shorts/RRZJjD1E14w?feature=share
I am in the love the game camp. Been playing for over a year and still having fun.
And...Science is awsome!
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ajqtrz
Chef - loquacious Old Dog
If the world wasn't going around there would be no science. And, in addition, the world started going around long before there was science, so science can't have been responsible for the initial state of going around, though one might be able to argue the world continues to go around due, in part or in whole, to science.
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ajqtrz
Chef - loquacious Old Dog
The Newtonian mechanical universe is still very much around. Almost all mathematical calculations of the effects of gravity in the near and short term scale use Newtonian calculations. Why? Because they are easier AND they are "close enough." This is in keeping with the general theory of granularity of knowledge, which states that the any statement of knowledge, if considered valid, is only true with an range of application. You see this in general conversation between lay persons and specialists. Lay people discuss quantum physics using three dimensional metaphors and thus the theory gets a bit distorted in most peoples minds. And if they use that understanding to theorize themselves, they usually get all sorts of strange ideas. "The Tao of Physics," by Fritjof Capra is a case in point. The book spends all sorts of time comparing concepts of quantum mechanics and the Tao. Unfortunately, Capra's analysis is based no on quantum physics, but upon the metaphors used to explain quantum physics to the lay person. In the end it's a set of metaphoric understandings at the lay level pretending to actually be what is going on at the quatum level used to attempt to show how spirituality is talking "about the same thing."
The granularity of Newtonian calculation is applicable to most of the middle experience of human beings. Once we begin to get into massive gravitational forces, long distances or extremely small distances and short time periods, we need different tools than Newton provides.
It is this extreme experience which caused Einstein to come up with relativity. There was a tiny discrepancy in the Newtonian predicted orbits of Mercury and the observed data, (and of the moon but that was just a measurement error), that drove Einstein to come up with his "Special Theory of Relativity." It was the closeness of Mercury to the Sun which made the observations not meet the Newtonian predictions, a point Einstein postulated and then theorized upon. He asked the fundamental question, "what is the effect of a strong gravitational field on time itself?" The answer was to come up with a theory based upon a re-thinking of gravity itself, and from this he came up with his "Special Theory of Relativity." It was "special" because, it's calculations were only applicable to the orbit of Mercury. Later he generalizes it, and publishes "The General Theory of Relativity."
As is pointed out in Thomas's Kuhn's "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" science changes paradigms very, very slowly, and very, very unwillingly. In the case of those concerned with actually shooting rockets into space, like one of my bosses, Dr. Verner Soumi, calculations made to achieve earth orbit, go around the moon and all that, are still using Newtonian calculations exactly because the scale is such that they work...and are a lot, lot easier.
Finally, though the use of quantum calculations may be more accurate, the accuracy is not needed (too granular), and, as I've said, too hard. Roger Penrose, one of the greatest physicists on the planet (and winner of the Nobel in 2020 for his work on black holes), once said that there were only six or seven scientists in the world who actually understood quantum mechanics. I think he was one of them.
AJ
