Developers Working on Scroll Solution

[hvariidh gwendrot]

so i still have not seen a reason why inno just doesn't do the +0 or +1 fix .. then poof done productions and trades would fix themselves

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

so i still have not seen a reason why inno just doesn't do the +0 or +1 fix .. then poof done productions and trades would fix themselves

Maybe so many scrolls-boosted players have quit that some servers would become very unbalanced in another direction. Plus they have servers in 20+ countries to consider, not just the US.

 

[SoggyShorts]

Maybe so many scrolls-boosted players have quit that some servers would become very unbalanced in another direction.

But that wouldn't explain why it wasn't done anytime in the last 2 years

Plus they have servers in 20+ countries to consider, not just the US.

I don't think they are very different. The Beta, NL, RU, EN, and DE ones aren't anyways.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

But that wouldn't explain why it wasn't done anytime in the last 2 years

I don't think they are very different. The Beta, NL, RU, EN, and DE ones aren't anyways.

There is no problem with scrolls in my part of Beta.

 

[Gath Of Baal]

I traded 150K scrolls yesterday for 100K crystal/silk, it took over 24H before someone (1 person) picked them all up.

if it's a pain to sell them with a 50% markup, ain't that the definition of a sick market?
Anything else you sell with a 50% markup will be sold in seconds not days.

I have got multiple trades right now that are sitting for over 24 hours of 20k scrolls for 10k silk and 200k scrolls for 100k silk , 2 for 1 ratio, and still cant get rid of them. I think I will keep bumping my offer up when my trades expire and try and find the magic ratio.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

I have got multiple trades right now that are sitting for over 24 hours of 20k scrolls for 10k silk and 200k scrolls for 100k silk , 2 for 1 ratio, and still cant get rid of them. I think I will keep bumping my offer up when my trades expire and try and find the magic ratio.

In both my cities, one on Arendyll and one on Beta, tier 2 goods are the ones I have the least of when compared to tier 1 and 3, so I generally do not have spare to trade for scrolls, especially on Beta. There, is someone were to offer scrolls for any of the tier 3 goods, at standard 2-star rates, I would be happy to take them, because on Beta I need scrolls.

So maybe on your server, in your region, it is similar. If people are not already swimming in scrolls, maybe they just don't have the extra silk or crystal to trade. Trying to get tier 3 for your scrolls may see the trades go quickly.

 

[Sir Squirrel]

That won't help us to get silk or crystal though and that is the problem. If and when (if ever) the libraries are fixed and scrolls become worth more then 2 to 1 and we can trade for crystal and silk again. Then your suggestion might help to reduce the amount of scrolls we (scroll boosted players) have. But the problem is really trying to get silk and crystal when using your scrolls as that is what we trade for them.

 

[Nectar of the Gods]

Or--those of you who are boosted in scrolls could build a Blooming Trader and level it. I can't use the wholesaler to trade in the 1.5+ million scrolls I have from accepting trades for my silk. But a scroll boosted player can. I am currently working with a member in my FS who is boosted in scrolls and has a Blooming Trader to switch out some of my scrolls for crystal. This could be a project for a FS--everyone helping the scroll boosted player level up their Blooming Trader so they get more silk or crystal for scrolls from the wholesaler. The Blooming Trader is not a junk AW. It is just highly misunderstood and under utilized.

 

[Kekune]

I dislike the idea of scrolls players needing to level an AW to compensate for a hardship that's been dumped on them. Even so, it seems like this would have limited use. Even with a level 30 BTG the costs climb with each purchase in 24 hours, right? So only the first one (well, two - one for crystal, one for silk) would be an even trade, right? It doesn't seem like an effective way to balance a big surplus.

 

[Deleted User - 1178646]

I dislike the idea of scrolls players needing to level an AW to compensate for a hardship that's been dumped on them. Even so, it seems like this would have limited use. Even with a level 30 BTG the costs climb with each purchase in 24 hours, right? So only the first one (well, two - one for crystal, one for silk) would be an even trade, right? It doesn't seem like an effective way to balance a big surplus.

the power is not in the swapping of goods but in the combination of infinite supplies and buying goods with supplies.
at least marble and crystal.

 

[Iyapo1]

It doesn't seem like an effective way to balance a big surplus.

I agree. I am scroll boosted and aiming for the BTG. I think it will help me get crystal and silk which I need.
But it wont dent a surplus unless you are willing to take a massive loss.

 

[SoggyShorts]

How does the BTG work? I forget, doesn't it just up the trade ratio to 1:1 at level 30?
E.G.
Current offer 6K:30K
Level 30 offer 30K:30K
Or does the whole trade size increase as well?

 

[Iyapo1]

You have it right, trade size doesnt change.

 

[Deleted User - 1178646]

How does the BTG work? I forget, doesn't it just up the trade ratio to 1:1 at level 30?
E.G.
Current offer 6K:30K
Level 30 offer 30K:30K
Or does the whole trade size increase as well?

It's much quicker to just buy silk and crystal (as a scroll boosted player)

You can squeeze out a resonable 1m goods per day out of this thing.

540K T1,
360K T2
And 240K t3

This will cost you 34.2m supplies a day.

Off course this is only possible with enough pop / ensorcelled spells + a handfull of magic workshops to boost your supply production into heaven.

 

[SoggyShorts]

Or--those of you who are boosted in scrolls could build a Blooming Trader and level it. I can't use the wholesaler to trade in the 1.5+ million scrolls I have from accepting trades for my silk. But a scroll boosted player can. I am currently working with a member in my FS who is boosted in scrolls and has a Blooming Trader to switch out some of my scrolls for crystal. This could be a project for a FS--everyone helping the scroll boosted player level up their Blooming Trader so they get more silk or crystal for scrolls from the wholesaler. The Blooming Trader is not a junk AW. It is just highly misunderstood and under utilized.

Ok so the BTG caps out at 100% Like 1:1
With no BTG I'm offered 6,000 for 30,000
With a level 30 BTG I'd be offered 30,000 for 30,000
So if I was scrolls boosted I could make 2 even trades for 60,000 total per day after investing ~15,000 KP, an expansion, and adding 30 AW levels to my spire/tournament formula.
Since I make over 200K T2 per day that's not enough for me to balance out across all 3.
Even a player who makes half as much as I do would need 225 days to reduce their 1.5m stash of extra scrolls.

Someone with a scrolls imbalance like mine with half of my daily T2 production would need closer to 1,000 days of using that BTG to rebalance
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Regardless of how long it would take, For 1/3 of players to have a requirement of a level 30 wonder just to get the same 1:1 trades as the other 2/3 of players get without it is insane.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

How does the BTG work? I forget, doesn't it just up the trade ratio to 1:1 at level 30?
E.G.
Current offer 6K:30K
Level 30 offer 30K:30K
Or does the whole trade size increase as well?

Trade sizes only increase when you move into a new chapter.

 

[Deleted User - 1178646]

Ok so the BTG caps out at 100% Like 1:1
With no BTG I'm offered 6,000 for 30,000
With a level 30 BTG I'd be offered 30,000 for 30,000
So if I was scrolls boosted I could make 2 even trades for 60,000 total per day after investing ~15,000 KP, an expansion, and adding 30 AW levels to my spire/tournament formula.
Since I make over 200K T2 per day that's not enough for me to balance out across all 3.
Even a player who makes half as much as I do would need 225 days to reduce their 1.5m stash of extra scrolls.
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Someone with a scrolls imbalance like mine with half of my daily T2 production would need closer to 1,000 days of using that BTG to rebalance
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Regardless of how long it would take, For 1/3 of players to have a requirement of a level 30 wonder just to get the same 1:1 trades as the other 2/3 of players get without it is insane.

I indurged myself and looked how big the jump would be from the first to the second trade, I mean if it's small enough you could consider doing it twice right?

That jump is pretty big , thats a 34% uptick?

 

[Kekune]

I've been thinking about building a bee anyway, just because of recent trends in guest races. This angle would also provide a benefit in between chapters... maybe I'll do it. Though for the record, I'm still gonna resent a little the fact that the wholesaler is one of the best ways to get anything.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Or--those of you who are boosted in scrolls could build a Blooming Trader and level it. I can't use the wholesaler to trade in the 1.5+ million scrolls I have from accepting trades for my silk. But a scroll boosted player can. I am currently working with a member in my FS who is boosted in scrolls and has a Blooming Trader to switch out some of my scrolls for crystal. This could be a project for a FS--everyone helping the scroll boosted player level up their Blooming Trader so they get more silk or crystal for scrolls from the wholesaler. The Blooming Trader is not a junk AW. It is just highly misunderstood and under utilized.

A potential problem with this is that a properly balanced 25-member fellowship should have 7 or 8 players who are boosted in scrolls. This make me wonder if fellowships are now rejecting join requests from players boosted in scrolls because they need fewer members who make it?

 

[Kekune]

A potential problem with this is that a properly balanced 25-member fellowship should have 7 or 8 players who are boosted in scrolls. This make me wonder if fellowships are now rejecting join requests from players boosted in scrolls because they need fewer members who make it?

Mine has definitely thought twice about it. We have still brought in scroll boosts sometimes (just this weekend, in fact) but we've definitely prioritized other boosts.