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Blame Inno for allowing it as a game mechanic.
Yep, but it takes around 13,000 KP per wonder soOk but AWs even have their limits. You can't upgrade them beyond lvl 25 no?
Far less I'd say.If they go to the effort of logging into all those accounts after having made them and give it to their own accounts - well I guess I don't see the problem. They're still working hard for it.....It must take hours a day to maintain push accounts to feed the main account.
Hence the thread title..."Innos dealing with push accounts needs drastic improvement"Blame Inno for allowing it as a game mechanic.
Is it clearly written in the rules? No. But it does provide a very obvious unfair advantage, and thus we have a thread discussing such behaviour.Is this[using 25 dummy accounts in the FA] currently a violation?
Hence the thread title..."Innos dealing with push accounts needs drastic improvement"
Where did I say that? It certainly isn't the only thing I'm suggesting if I did.No you said the improvement needed was to ban players. That's not a solution.
I'm not sure I agree that "completely changing the game mechanics" falls under the category of "reasonable".Inno completely changing game mechanics is the only reasonable solution.
Why not? Isn't that how rule enforcement works almost everywhere? I can't think of any system that is so foolproof that it doesn't require a little help. Perhaps it isn't a 100% solution, but inno clearly needs help with it.. Ratting out neighbors is not a solution. Monitoring neighbors and other FSs is not a solution.
you could find one, somewhere, and copy-paste.(the .. will be in place of my missing commas! I need a new keyboard lol)
There are two mechanics that could reasonably fix this situation. Unless you can come up with some others, sitting back and telling Inno to fix the system to disabuse people of cheating is a poor position to take. And both solutions take some portion of the game that works perfectly fine for thousands of players, and turns it on its head because a few players are cheating.No you said the improvement needed was to ban players. That's not a solution. Ratting out neighbors is not a solution. Monitoring neighbors and other FSs is not a solution. Inno completely changing game mechanics is the only reasonable solution. I'm not my neighbor's keeper.
Its insane to think that Inno is going to take these drastic steps when the easy solution is just to identify cheaters and punish them.
You want creepy? Next time you hug someone other than your spouse, try whispering "You smell different when you're awake."Being a neighbor's keeper has some seriously creepy qualities to it.
Ok, but that is not a solution. Because multiple people have pointed out that some pushers form an FS that consists of 1 real account and 24 push accounts. So your solution doesn't even hit the biggest pushing offenders.Real solutions are like what you mentioned - not allowing AWs to be filled by non-FS or non-discovered neighbors as a start.
Again, look at all of the pretty minor improvements we have asked for from inno's coders that have yet to be completed. Asking them to implement a system like you suggest seems like far more work than simply investigating some extreme cases that get reported, and the investigating can be performed by someone with virtually no skills at all.I have no idea what anyone could do about members joining/quitting/rejoining FSs other than coding a watchdog system for abuse like that.
Yep, but it takes around 13,000 KP per wonder so
-if you push 500 KP per day to fill 10 wonders you are maxing them out in 9 months. Or
-if you just donate all of your own hourly KP it would take over 14 years. Quite the imbalance.
So your solution doesn't even hit the biggest pushing offenders.
Asking them to implement a system like you suggest seems like far more work than simply investigating some extreme cases that get reported, and the investigating can be performed by someone with virtually no skills at all.
No, it isn't. The idea is that you should specialize in a few wonders and level them very high, or spread the KP among many wonders and have them at lower levels.More importantly, Inno making it take 14 years to do the description above is bad game design,
It most certainly is not, please provide a link where you saw that.Pushing KP is allowable according to Inno.
As has been pointed out many times already, ranked players spend money, and how much money inno makes directly effects the quality of game everyone gets. So if ranked players quit spending due to being unable to compete with cheaters, that effects everyone.I still don't get how the imbalance is a problem (and sure, it is imbalanced,...but?). If one is competitive, I understand it. If one is playing the game for the fun of completion and making friends, how does that ruin anyone's game? It surely has never ruined mine.
100% wrong. Push accounts as defined by inno are those that have the sole purpose of giving things to your main account. Using push accounts to get a better FA ranking for your main account obviously qualifies.As for rotating FSs, that is outside the scope of this conversation and the definition of "pushing."
Who even wants to play Elvenar long enough to care about maxing their AWs or being top ranking to the point of normalizing dozens of extra accounts? More importantly, Inno making it take 14 years to do the description above is bad game design, and because of that you will find players who try to subvert the system! Who wouldn't? Me. It's not worth my time. But some people's competitive egos get bruised over stuff like that.
Pushing KP is allowable according to Inno. They do not limit how many accounts a player has in any world. They said it themselves. Who are they to dictate what each person should do with their accounts?
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Do people expect this game to last 14 years without a sequal?-if you push 500 KP per day to fill 10 wonders you are maxing them out in 9 months. Or
-if you just donate all of your own hourly KP it would take over 14 years.
You are completely missing the point of wonders being so hard to level. You are supposed to make meaningful choices for what you want in your city.Do people expect this game to last 14 years without a sequal?