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Needles of the Tempest

Discussion in 'Questions and Help' started by Premian, Oct 12, 2019.

  1. Premian

    Premian Member

    Sep 20, 2019
    Hi, I am in Chapter III, and getting close to unlocking Needles of the Tempest and Endless Excavation. What are your thoughts on their usefulness in the beginning and also in the end game?
  2. samidodamage

    samidodamage Well-Known Member

    Mar 27, 2017
    Here's an old thread that I think is still relevant. It's 8 pages just discussing the various AW's and their benefits. Post #18 on page 1 is a comprehensive explanation of the various wonders and the stage/play-style/conditions under which they are each beneficial (or not).

    IMO, both of those AW's are beneficial from the moment you can build them onward. My first city is in Constructs now and I continue to benefit from them. The EE easily replaces a WS in terms of production: It uses no population or culture and does not grow in size as it upgrades either. NoT speeds up your barracks production, taking less time to make the same number of troops. As you upgrade your armories and your training size grows, the training times get longer. When you're at a place where your barracks are at max level, it's helpful in keeping the training time manageable until you reach the next research tech for a barracks upgrade.
  3. Nonchalant Antipathy

    Nonchalant Antipathy Well-Known Member

    Feb 16, 2019
    Love 'em both and highly recommend building them. The Needles will make your light ranged units fairly mighty, as well, and isn't to be scoffed at. I don't really notice the extra relics from the Excavation, but I certainly don't mind receiving more when I complete provinces.
  4. kctanzen

    kctanzen Well-Known Member

    Oct 26, 2017
    I would place a Needles and keep squad sizes as low as possible -- I focus on the tourneys however.

    Needles + Monastery / sanctuary and leveling them both up nicely puts you well on your way to being able to get lots of goodies from tourneys.

    Needles is one of the least KP expensive wonders to level up as well (added bonus ... adds some oomph to all your archer types!!)

    EE -- depends on play style. If you log in just a couple times of day, this will probably be be a nice fit, though it is a pretty big footprint early on for the output.
    I collect several times a day and didn't place it (have it temporarily for event, boosting supplies lost from toolboxed workshops and adding extra relics).
    Considering keeping it, since it is now smaller footprint than a workshop and outpaces production of a regular one unless I do short cycle PoP spells.
  5. Enevhar Aldarion

    Enevhar Aldarion Well-Known Member

    Nov 29, 2016
    When completing a province gets you 8 relics without the Excavation, or 9+ relics with the Excavation, and your event quest says Collect 9 Relics, you definitely notice it. lol

    I am trying to get mine to level 10 right now, so that it will add +3 relics when completing a province. Then I will be able to complete all these Gain 11 Relics quests with just a single province.
  6. Nonchalant Antipathy

    Nonchalant Antipathy Well-Known Member

    Feb 16, 2019
    DUDE, that would be handy! I don't often look at regular provinces as a way to gain relics, preferring to stick with crafting or tournies, and save encounters for the wretched completion quests during the lull between tournaments, but in a real tight, I'll have to keep that in mind. Think mine's at level eight.