Spire squad size calc - we need your data!

[Deleted User - 3932582]

Correct. This Sunday is probably the last time I'll be getting end-game cities data for some time (unless someone is not starting chapter 16 right away). Moving into a new chapter 16 will make things complicated.

I am still looking for inactive/frozen (probably lower level) cities if someone wants to run a few Spire experiments.

 

[sam767]

I have cities that fit your criteria. I read the experiments post - is that still what you want?

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Correct. This Sunday is probably the last time I'll be getting end-game cities data for some time (unless someone is not starting chapter 16 right away). Moving into a new chapter 16 will make things complicated.

I am still looking for inactive/frozen (probably lower level) cities if someone wants to run a few Spire experiments.

It will be hard to resist, but I am still going to try and do nothing next week other than place the new expansion from scouting that I will get right away, seeing as how I have 555 completed provinces now. lol

I want to see if it is worth 20 to Spire squad size, the way the two I bought last week averaged out to.

My new numbers tomorrow will only include an increase of 7 to my AW levels. Is that still supposed to average about 6 per level, so I should be expecting an increase of roughly 42?

 

[Deleted User - 3932582]

My new numbers tomorrow will only include an increase of 7 to my AW levels. Is that still supposed to average about 6 per level, so I should be expecting an increase of roughly 42?

Well, the latest coefficient is 6.9, but yeah, I'd expect something between 42 and 49, give or take. Won't be very surprised if it's somewhat outside of this range as there could be quite a few variables around AW levels (size/level/KPs/etc) that we haven't really cleanly experimented on.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Well, the latest coefficient is 6.9, but yeah, I'd expect something between 42 and 49, give or take. Won't be very surprised if it's somewhat outside of this range as there could be quite a few variables around AW levels (size/level/KPs/etc) that we haven't really cleanly experimented on.

I am interested to see my numbers tomorrow morning, to see what happened to them.

Also, is there any effect at all from our Score on the squad sizes? Or individual parts of our Score? We have Working Population, Required Culture, World Map Progress, Ancient Wonders, and Tournaments. Or are the AWs the only one of those that make any difference? And I know this is a side track, but how is the Ancient Wonder portion of the Score even calculated?

 

[Deleted User - 3932582]

I am interested to see my numbers tomorrow morning, to see what happened to them.

Also, is there any effect at all from our Score on the squad sizes? Or individual parts of our Score? We have Working Population, Required Culture, World Map Progress, Ancient Wonders, and Tournaments. Or are the AWs the only one of those that make any difference? And I know this is a side track, but how is the Ancient Wonder portion of the Score even calculated?

Working pop and culture do not seem to have any impact, I have built quite a bit during my frozen weeks, and Spire SS hasn't budged. Ditto for world map progress and tournaments, or playing Spire itself. Ancient Wonders dependency may have ranking in it; that score is just the total number of KPs contributed to all AWs (not counting incomplete levels).

 

[Deleted User - 1599294]

Chp 15 / MH L35 / Compl Prov 500 / AW Levels 163 / SS 3108 =>Spire SS 3087 / 1371 [2020-04-19] 124 expansions. FWIW, the 16 completed provinces and 3rd AW level were just done this am prior to spire opening.

 

[qaccy]

15 / 35 / 505 / 269 / 3573 / 143 => 4236 / 1881 [Apr 12 2020]
15 / 35 / 507 / 270 / 3573 / 143 => 4243 / 1884 [Apr 19 2020]

Unfortunately I did add two more provinces to my total (one for the event quest, one on accident), but you've said that those don't seem to have an impact. The only other change I've made since last week is one more AW level from building the Thermal Spring of Youth.

When Chapter 16 launches, I plan on doing nothing but researching the first technology, waiting for the next Spire to start, then actually unlocking it and waiting for the next Spire to start in order to see what impact moving up in chapters has. Kinda spaced out, but there's some uncertainty about whether spending KP in the research tree affects the Spire, right? Or is it just unlocking researches that does that?

 

[Deleted User - 4646370]

15/35/426/175/3699/109 --> 2805/1246 [FR3 - 2020-04-12]
8/19/161/29/498/63 --> 433/193 [FR4 - 2020-04-12]

This week's data :
15/35/427/177/3699/109 --> 2816/1251
8/19/167/31/570/65 --> 462/206
In my first city AW upgrades are Simia to L10 and Timewarp to L9.
In my second city I upgraded Abyss to L9 and Mountain Halls to L3. I also researched 6 techs (settlement roads, mushroom farm, squad size upgrade 24, orcish armory, rally points, and residence upgrade).

 

[Chriger]

14 / 33 / completed 392 / 122 / 2925 / 109 => 2242 / 996 [2020-04-12]
15 / 33 / completed 400 / 124 / 2925 / 110 => 2293 / 1019 [2020-04-19]

5 / 15 / completed 80 / 7 / 198 / 40 => 118 / 53 [2020-04-12]
5 / 15 / completed 85 / 7 / 198 / 41 => 125 / 56 [2020-04-19]

 

[Deleted User - 4646370]

Data from my family :
15/35/598/439/4140/149 ==> 5570/2474
12/25/280/67/2133/97 ==> 1166/518
12/26/288/53/2229/99 ==> 1163/517

Note : all numbers I give in this post had been taken just before I wrote this post, so about 1 day after Spire started. This means some values might actually be 1 or 2 less.

15/35/598/440/4140/149 ==> 5592/2483 (the +22 is probably due to wonders upgraded Sunday last week between Spire starting and data collection in Monday)
12/25/303/71/2133/100 ==> 1242/552
12/26/295/52/2349/100 ==> 1202/534 (to be confirmed - no wonder had been sold so AW levels shouldn't decrease).

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Well, the latest coefficient is 6.9, but yeah, I'd expect something between 42 and 49, give or take. Won't be very surprised if it's somewhat outside of this range as there could be quite a few variables around AW levels (size/level/KPs/etc) that we haven't really cleanly experimented on.

Yep, my increase of 7 AW levels, from 175 to 182, increased my Spire squad by 44, from 3229 to 3273, which increased the enemy size from 1434 to 1454. So that was an increase of 6.28 per AW level for my squad.

 

[Deleted User - 3932582]

8/19/167/31/570/65 --> 462/206

You've got 2 more expansions here - were any of these premium, or both are regular?

 

[Deleted User - 3932582]

5 / 15 / completed 85 / 7 / 198 / 41 => 125 / 56 [2020-04-19]

Can you tell me if extra expansion is premium or regular? Also, have you done any research here?

 

[Deleted User - 3932582]

12/25/303/71/2133/100 ==> 1242/552
12/26/295/52/2349/100 ==> 1202/534 (to be confirmed - no wonder had been sold so AW levels shouldn't decrease).

Thanks. Was there any research done in these cities? These results look pretty unusual - the first one placed 3 expansions (to 100) and added 4 AW levels, and SS only increased by 76, while in the second case there were no AW level increases (?) and only 1 expansion added (also to 100), but SS jumped by 39.

 

[Deleted User - 4646370]

Thanks. Was there any research done in these cities? These results look pretty unusual - the first one placed 3 expansions (to 100) and added 4 AW levels, and SS only increased by 76, while in the second case there were no AW level increases (?) and only 1 expansion added (also to 100), but SS jumped by 39.

Both cities did some research, but unfortunately I didn't note research status last week. Also, data from last week in these cities was taken Monday, so perhaps the explanation is that there were actually only 98 expansions in the second city when Spire started last week.

 

[Deleted User - 4646370]

You've got 2 more expansions here - were any of these premium, or both are regular?

Both these expansions are regular. Last week, 1 expansion was premium (bought during the offer).

 

[Chriger]

Can you tell me if extra expansion is premium or regular? Also, have you done any research here?

All of those are regular.

I did some more research, though no squad size researches. I could hold off on research if that makes a difference, and just put in AWs and not upgrade them.

 

[Rusty01]

15/35/499/267/3492/4349/1931/148[2020-04-05] (Increase of two expansions, both were premium)

 

[Deleted User - 3932582]

Unfortunately I did add two more provinces to my total (one for the event quest, one on accident), but you've said that those don't seem to have an impact. The only other change I've made since last week is one more AW level from building the Thermal Spring of Youth.

So you've just built TSoY L1, and that's the only change - correct? If yes, that would be a pretty useful result. Meaning that AW component is tied to levels and/or dimensions, but not only to KP/ranking points (as those shouldn't change for L1). KPs may not matter at all.

When Chapter 16 launches, I plan on doing nothing but researching the first technology, waiting for the next Spire to start, then actually unlocking it and waiting for the next Spire to start in order to see what impact moving up in chapters has. Kinda spaced out, but there's some uncertainty about whether spending KP in the research tree affects the Spire, right? Or is it just unlocking researches that does that?

That would be useful to observe, but I don't think we can detach advancing a chapter with research. Aren't you getting into chapter 16 as soon as you complete the first research, meaning both would happen simultaneously?

Or are you saying that you'll just contribute enough for the first research, but won't unlock it? That would be helpful to determine if adding KPs for research matters, or only unlocked research matters (similar to AWs where contributions do not matter - only completed upgrades do). The answer to that question we, indeed, do not know yet.