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DeletedUser10409
Guest
Your post is overwhelming, inaccurate, and off point of this thread but you need corrected.
Not sure where you got your numbers on a level 25 WS making 11k supplies in 24 hours.....
This is based on a culture bonus of 160% (WHICH I CAN CONTROL)
Level 1 ToS = 81600 per scout, my scouting takes 35 hours that's 2331 supply an hour that i can not control or moderate.
Level 1 EE = 40,800 supply in 24 hours = 1700 supply an hour I can not control or moderate
Level 23 WS Non Boosted = 6672 supply in 3 hours totaling 53,376 supply in 24 hours, 2,224 supply per hour Better than EE
Level 23 WS boosted= 20,016 supply in 3 hours totaling 160,128 supply in 24 hours= 6,672 supply per hour Better than ToS
That's just math, and total controlled play style. You did make me burn a supply boost though, Good job!
If you would like to talk about Math please post your own thread or one labeled AW Math. This is about Bellspire/Lighthouse AW.
Not sure where you got your numbers on a level 25 WS making 11k supplies in 24 hours.....
This is based on a culture bonus of 160% (WHICH I CAN CONTROL)
Level 1 ToS = 81600 per scout, my scouting takes 35 hours that's 2331 supply an hour that i can not control or moderate.
Level 1 EE = 40,800 supply in 24 hours = 1700 supply an hour I can not control or moderate
Level 23 WS Non Boosted = 6672 supply in 3 hours totaling 53,376 supply in 24 hours, 2,224 supply per hour Better than EE
Level 23 WS boosted= 20,016 supply in 3 hours totaling 160,128 supply in 24 hours= 6,672 supply per hour Better than ToS
That's just math, and total controlled play style. You did make me burn a supply boost though, Good job!
If you would like to talk about Math please post your own thread or one labeled AW Math. This is about Bellspire/Lighthouse AW.
Ashrem
Oh Wise One
His post said he was leaving out the culture bonus. Because that also takes space. If you're going to compare the level 25 workshop with a 60% culture bonus, then it takes up a bunch more room for that culture and the output per square drops again.
DeletedUser10409
Guest
How does having a culture bonus take up space? I believe he referenced that he was leaving out the amount of space a culture building takes up to cover a WS
SoggyShorts
Mathematician par Excellence
You're still forgetting that a workshop+residence takes up double the space, so you can cut your numbers in half, and as Ashrem pointed out, 160% culture requires even more space, so if you are applying that, you need to include that space as well.
Another thing you missed is that you probably don't run 3h productions 8 times per day, so you can reduce those numbers again.
You probably shouldn't be using boosts in your calculations as they aren't sustainable unless you can get enough relics to make 2 PoP spells for each workshop in your city every day, which you can't.. or do you get over 2,000 relics in the tournament?
These are your numbers, and they already show the ToS is better than the WS and takes half the space, making it twice as good.
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DeletedUser7370
Guest
Also your math is horribly wrong on the gain from the culture bonus. You used 3 times as much as the base level for what a 60% culture bonus would give. The correct number based on your 6672 per 3 hours is 10675 per 3 hours. Assuming a person can actually run 3 hour productions constantly every day is also flawed. I sleep sometimes. I also leave my house for work or other activities. I average 5 or 6 of the 3 hour productions on my factories every day. That is a much more realistic value for a highly active player. The result 10675 times 6 is 64050. Your ToS number 81600 with a 35 hour scout time renders 55954 per day assuming maximum activity. The difference is very small, but the workshop takes up more space, requires population, and requires culture, plus more culture for the bonus.
Please do try to calculate things correctly in the future.
DeletedUser10409
Guest
Most everyone has a culture bonus of 125% after helps from everyone which takes up no space. Then you add 7 Ensorcelled Endowements to those Culture buildings and you get 160% which takes up no space.
I do not need boosts everyday once a week is sufficient.
The Keeblers FS is the The Coolest, not Keeblers.
I do not need boosts everyday once a week is sufficient.
The Keeblers FS is the The Coolest, not Keeblers.
DeletedUser10409
Guest
Is your WS level 23? Do you have a 160% culture bonus?
DeletedUser7367
Guest
Support's response=Melba Toast or go eff yourself.... Here it is>>Hello Brooster,
Thank you for contacting Elvenar support.
We are sorry to hear that you are experiencing difficulties with the game. Thank you for your patience, as you stated, we are very busy with Support Tickets today.
We are sorry to hear your dissatisfaction with the changes made to the Crystal Lighthouse Ancient Wonders. Please be aware this was not a decision that the Development Team made lightly, and every part of the decision was analyzed - even the feedback from our Beta community.
The changes were made to balance out all of the Ancient Wonders to make sure that they were fair and advantageous to each player that decided to build them. This will also help players realize the importance of providing neighborly help in order to obtain the larger prizes/rewards.
We do realize that any changes made to the game are not always going to be liked right-away, but we do encourage you to try this alteration and leave your feedback on our forum.
Again, our sincerest apologies for the inconvenience this change causes you.
Please don't hesitate to contact us if you have additional questions, concerns or issues.
Thank you for playing Elvenar with us!
Kind regards,
Brielle
In-Game Support
OK, pay CLOSE attention to the Dialogue...... They wanted to BALANCE OUT THE GAME??? Whaaaaaaaaaat????? So in other words... if you work HARDER for better items in the game, your work doesn't factor in? Are you friggin' kidding me???!!!! sounds more like abject Socialism in an Online Game.... Wrong to the Core to do this!!! Seriously, it's beyond UNFAIR to those of us who worked to attain A LOT of neighbors! What a slap in the face with NO logical explanation!! How does a DEV decide to GO BACK ON PROMISED goods doing as we ALL were told 'they would provide'!?????! So a consortium decides to GO AGAINST the work done by players, to balance 'the slate'??? Are you kidding me???? Outrageously unfair. NO ONE can logically disagree!!
Thank you for contacting Elvenar support.
We are sorry to hear that you are experiencing difficulties with the game. Thank you for your patience, as you stated, we are very busy with Support Tickets today.
We are sorry to hear your dissatisfaction with the changes made to the Crystal Lighthouse Ancient Wonders. Please be aware this was not a decision that the Development Team made lightly, and every part of the decision was analyzed - even the feedback from our Beta community.
The changes were made to balance out all of the Ancient Wonders to make sure that they were fair and advantageous to each player that decided to build them. This will also help players realize the importance of providing neighborly help in order to obtain the larger prizes/rewards.
We do realize that any changes made to the game are not always going to be liked right-away, but we do encourage you to try this alteration and leave your feedback on our forum.
Again, our sincerest apologies for the inconvenience this change causes you.
Please don't hesitate to contact us if you have additional questions, concerns or issues.
Thank you for playing Elvenar with us!
Kind regards,
Brielle
In-Game Support
OK, pay CLOSE attention to the Dialogue...... They wanted to BALANCE OUT THE GAME??? Whaaaaaaaaaat????? So in other words... if you work HARDER for better items in the game, your work doesn't factor in? Are you friggin' kidding me???!!!! sounds more like abject Socialism in an Online Game.... Wrong to the Core to do this!!! Seriously, it's beyond UNFAIR to those of us who worked to attain A LOT of neighbors! What a slap in the face with NO logical explanation!! How does a DEV decide to GO BACK ON PROMISED goods doing as we ALL were told 'they would provide'!?????! So a consortium decides to GO AGAINST the work done by players, to balance 'the slate'??? Are you kidding me???? Outrageously unfair. NO ONE can logically disagree!!
SoggyShorts
Mathematician par Excellence
You couldn't multiply by 3?
I was referring to the FS that we assume Keebler owns as it has 25 members that donate all of their KP to your FS. It's not that hard to check, you even have 50 KP from one of them in your Bellspire right now.
DeletedUser10409
Guest
Do i hear babies crying?
SoggyShorts
Mathematician par Excellence
Huh?
Is pointing out that you lack the ability to multiply a number by 3 crying?
Not sure why this turned personal for you.
DeletedUser7370
Guest
I maintain a 60% culture bonus at all times. I am very well aware of how to calculate what that bonus gives. I don't need to have a L23 workshop for this example because I used your numbers. If you would like to try again, then by all means recalculate your numbers and you will see I am right; otherwise continue as you were as I am not affected either way.
DeletedUser10409
Guest
No, but whining about who donated to my KP is.
DeletedUser7370
Guest
It turned personal for him because he was told he is wrong and the numbers were there to prove his error. All he has left at that point are ad hominem attacks.
Risen Malchiah
Well-Known Member
SoggyShorts
Mathematician par Excellence
1. You bragged about having a higher level wonder than I have.
2. You got there by cheating.
3. I mentioned it.
4. I'm crying?
Ok then.
DeletedUser10409
Guest
Straight from the WS
3 hour bake at 160% culture bonus = 6672 supply 6672x8(3 hour) =53,376
3 hour boosted = 20,016 supply 20,016x8= 160, 128
8 bakes is what i calculated, does not matter if i get 8 in, he wanted to talk math.
I am not wrong
SoggyShorts
Mathematician par Excellence
Except here where you proved that the ToS is better,right? Or are we not talking about that anymore?
These are your numbers, and they already show the ToS is better than the WS and takes half the space, making it twice as good.
DeletedUser7370
Guest
You did say "boosted" in your previous post, but I did not understand that meant adding a Power of Provision spell onto your workshops. Now I am on track with your numbers, and must agree that the spell puts the workshop above the wonder. However the spell has additional costs in it is production.