Cauldron Recipes

[Moho]

 

[Sarkris]

Good God, I don’t think I understood any of this

 

[Katwick]

This is not a discussion of the Cauldron but of what recipes work. By listing some and testing them across multiple users we may actually figure out how to get what we want.

Here's one I've made.

Best General Mayhem Recipe

4 Mana Shell,
4 Flying Iris,
4 Ear Truffle
4 Cottoncloud Bud

Enter in any order, the results are the same.

Result: General Mayhem to 34% at a cost of 3682 witch points.

Maximum "serving" 100% and 50% critical, use 25 (6 of each ingredient plus one of any of them) 55.9%

AJ

My standard 3 Diploma 5432 SB AS IF recipe only has 17.73% SB with a 31.36% Success Rate overall, but I'm using 14 Herbs rather than 16 Herbs so that makes sense. I'm wondering if your 34% was the overall % Success Rate, rather than just the General Mayhem % Success Rate? Do you recall which Diploma level you were at, because changing Diploma levels can drastically change the performance of a recipe, plus I'm pretty sure that the Devs are fudging the % Success rate vs # of Herbs in favor of the folks with more Diplomas.

Fiddle with it a bit, and let me know what you come up with.
Oh Yeah - Ctrl + is the ZOOM that you'll need if you can't find your magnifing glass.

 

[Silly Bubbles]

I'm pretty sure that the Devs are fudging the % Success rate vs # of Herbs in favor of the folks with more Diplomas.

The more Diplomas you got, the more Witch Points you have available for brewing so you can use more ingredients and that increases your Success Rate (as shown and defined in brewing screen as "The chance for each Trophy Goblet to trigger a Potion Effect" not combined probabilities of your wanted effects, Success Rate also equals to the sum of all probabilities of all effects listed in the brewing screen). The formula for Success Rate is (no. of ingredients used/25)^0.5 or total of all effects probabilities (both have the same result). Also the cost of upgrading effects goes down by 25% for each additional Diploma (as shown here and also tested).

Edit: To clarify more, hopefully

 

[Katwick]

The formula for Success Rate is (no. of ingredients used/25)^0.5 or total of all effects probabilities (both have the same result). Also the cost of upgrading effects goes down by 25% for each additional Diploma (as shown here and also tested).

I'll plug that in immediately, to see if I need any more fancy graphs. Thanks!

So you get some "FREE" probability upgrades when you gain a Diploma?

 

[Silly Bubbles]

So you get some "FREE" probability upgrades when you gain a Diploma?

Yes, the more completed researches, the more Witch Points, the higher Success Rate. But note that there are additional effects for each Diploma and the probability of each already unlocked effect gets diluted. The effect probability dilution gets roughly offset by increase in Witch Points but the Success Rate still remains high.
For example, my chosen 5 effects’ combined probability (as shown when I use only one ingredient) reduced from 71.4% to 62.4% (9% dilution) when getting 3 additional Diplomas. Combined probabilities of the same 5 effects of a completed recipe increased from 49.3% to 52.4% 1st week, to 55.2% 2nd week, and decreased to 47.5% 3rd week. This could also be due to available ingredients as well as more witch points.

It would be great if someone had a look at additional Witch Points for each completed research. I have already researched all so it's impossible for me to check.

 

[Silly Bubbles]

Here's a spreadsheet to make Cauldron recipes a bit easier. You need to download it to use it. Let me know how it goes

Cauldron Recipe Maker

docs.google.com

 

[muffy.]

@Silly Bubbles can you give a brief explanation on how to use it please and thank you in advance

 

[Smooper]

@muffy. there are some instructions in the lower right side. I am not sure how to download it so I can use it.

 

[muffy.]

Thank you @Smooper

To download click on the link, once opened in the top right, the 3 dots click on that , click share and export, click make a copy.

 

[Silly Bubbles]

@muffy. there are some instructions in the lower right side. I am not sure how to download it so I can use it.

Or you can click on File menu in the top left corner (just under the title Cauldron Recipe Maker) and then click on download. If you can't see it, there's an arrow in top right corner that will show the menu when clicked on.

Also, there was a reference mistake for MC Strength so if you already downloaded one, I'd try it again.

 

[Smooper]

@Silly Bubbles What if I don't have a spreadsheet program on my computer?
@muffy. I see the 3 dots but not a place to click "share and export".

 

[Silly Bubbles]

What if I don't have a spreadsheet program on my computer?

You can create your own Google Sheet by uploading the file under your log in or LibreOffice is for free if you want one on your desktop. I've been using it for a very long time and never had a problem with it.

 

[Ashrem]

@Silly Bubbles What if I don't have a spreadsheet program on my computer?
@muffy. I see the 3 dots but not a place to click "share and export".

If you have a google account, you can make a copy and use it online from anywhere.

Downloading might or might not work, depending on the functions and which spreadsheet program you have available. Excel or Open Document might work, the others will not

If you are not logged in to a Google Account, the Share options might appear, but will not do anything if they do.

 

[Smooper]

Thanks for all the replys. I was able to make a copy and will be able to enter the values now. Hope it helps me understand the cauldron a bit more.

 

[Silly Bubbles]

Here's a spreadsheet to make Cauldron recipes a bit easier. You need to download it to use it. Let me know how it goes

Cauldron Recipe Maker

docs.google.com

I've added some more instructions to the spreadsheet:
"If you want to use diamond ingredients, use up your Witch Points first and then remove the "1" from Diamond Ingredients column. Now you will see the increase in effects for those ingredients and can add them based on "+/- if one added" column values."

 

[Silly Bubbles]

I tried to come up with the ultimate recipe for military boosts ignoring diamond cost so here's my version:

 

[Deleted User - 281932]

Verification Recipe, One Once + Four Once + Twelve Once for 10 Diplomas (Halflings)
The next few posts detail where to find the Cauldron data for your own city. Printing a copy of this template, and marking it up, is quite efficient. The columns are intentionally tight, for our mobile users.

Using twelve separate One Once recipes, twelve separate Four Once recipes, and a single Twelve Once recipe, will allow you to capture and analyze your current Effects, and thereby design your most effective (or avoid you worst) recipes.

This data is from Feb 08, 2023 with 10 Diplomas and 2 points of SB Boost. US-Khelonaar-Katwick.

	C_	T3	SB	OR	WS	T2	ST	GM	GS	T1	SM	GD	S1	GU	A3	HT	S2	HB	A1	HM	A2	S3	F+	F+
	1	6	3	9	2	5	7	10	8	4	11	12	13	18	21?	16	14	22?	19	17?	20	15?	?	?	Tech	Diploma
B	10%	40%	4.4%	10%	10%	40%	4%	10%	4%	40%	4%	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	Max	Boost
D	5:00	5:00	2:12	5:00	5:00	5:00	2:00	5:00	3:00	5:00	2:00	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	Max	Duration
1	15									5.0	?	?	?						?		?					Fire_Spore
2	8.0	12								wrap	?	?		?					wrap	?		?				Beetlenut
3	3.3	6.7	10							near		?	?		?				odd		?		?		25d	Mana_Shell
4	2.9	2.9	5.7	8.6		=20.1								?		?			even			?		?		Flying_Iris
5		2.9	2.9	5.7	8.6								?		?		?						?			Medusa_Egg
6			2.9	2.9	5.7	8.6								?		?		?						?	25d	Caterpillar_Lime
7				2.9	2.9	5.7	8.6						?		?		?		?				?			Nightshade_Blossom
8					2.9	2.9	5.7	8.6						?		?		?		?				?	25d	Mocking_Tongues
9						2.9	2.9	5.7	8.6						?		?		?		?		?			Eye_Sprouts
10							2.9	2.9	5.7	8.6						?		?		?		?		?	25d	Bitterhair_Leaf
11								5.0	5.0	10	?						?		?		?					Cottoncloud_Bud
12									10	10	?	?						?		?		?				Ear_Truffle
%	15.4	13.2	13.2	13.2	13.2	12.7	13.2	15.0	18.7	22.4	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	Max	Four_Once
%	6.8	6.2	6.8	8.3	6.8	6.8	6.8	6.8	6.8	6.8	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	Max	Twelve_Once

The difference between the Four Once and Twelve Once Recipes is STRONGLY influenced by how many Diplomas you have. As you progress through the technology tree, there will be a great many discontinuities that can be exploited, if you know where to look.

In the first half of the Brew Pot, each Ingredient has 20 points of Effect that are distributed across four adjacent Effects, and I suspect that there's another 20 points and four more Effects for the 2nd half of the table (still four Effects, but adjacent Odd or adjacent Even.) The GOTCHA is that when OTHER Effects overlap "your" Ingredients there will be more Effects, which is fine, but with a smaller chance that a particular Effect will be selected.

Let's consider a player who has just recently completed the Cauldron technology. With only only 4 Diplomas, the active Effects are Coins, Supplies, Barracks Strength, and Basic Goods

• Diploma #1 is triggered by Ingredient #1, #2, #3, or #4
• Diploma #2 is triggered by Ingredient #5, #6, #7, or #8
• Diploma #3 is triggered by Ingredient #3, #4, #5, or #6. Note the overlap.
• Diploma #4 is triggered by Ingredient #10, #11, #12, or #1 (it wraps)
• None of these early Effects use Ingredient #9, which boosts Training Strength, Settlement Goods, Mana, and Seeds

Do you remember who has the Aspirin franchise?

Not a clue! Sorry, I’m not usually this confused and can figure things out fairly quickly but this Cauldron has had me confused from day one.

 

[Queen of Beltane]

I'm looking for recipes to boost Sentient Goods. Anyone come up with a winner?

 

[Silly Bubbles]

I'm looking for recipes to boost Sentient Goods. Anyone come up with a winner?

This is a quick generic recipe, it doesn't want to do all three very well. You need to adjust it to your situation. See how it goes.