Moho
Chef
Well, this is a different situation. But my three cities in different worlds show different diamond ingredients.in the same world.
Well, this is a different situation. But my three cities in different worlds show different diamond ingredients.in the same world.
Thank you for taking this on Muffy, I think this an excellent idea!Hey peeps,
I'd like to make a Cauldron Recipe Book link in the Sorcerers Scrolls of Knowledge. I'd like each and everyone one of your recipes in it, unless you don't want yours included, just let me know.
I think this is kind of exciting and I'm anxious to see the outcome of the upcoming recipes !!! Way to go !!!!
You're entirely correct. Thank You!!!I think its the exact opposite of what you just said actually.
C_ | T3 | SB | OR | WS | T2 | ST | GM | GS | T1 | SM | GD | S1 | GU | A3 | HT | S2 | HB | A1 | F+ | A2 | F+ | F+ | F+ | |||
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1 | 6 | 3 | 9 | 2 | 5 | 7 | 10 | 8 | 4 | 11 | 12 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Tech | Diploma | |
B | 10% | 40% | 5.6% | 10% | 10% | 40% | 4% | 10% | 4% | 40% | 4% | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Max | Boost |
D | 5:00 | 5:00 | 2:48 | 5:00 | 5:00 | 5:00 | 2:00 | 5:00 | 3:00 | 5:00 | 2:00 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Max | Duration |
12 | 10 | 9.4 | ? | ? | ? | 25d | Fire_Spore | |||||||||||||||||||
23 | 8.1 | 13.5 | 6.7 | ? | wrap | ? | ? | Beetlenut | ||||||||||||||||||
34 | 4.5 | 6.8 | 11.3 | 5.6 | =28.2 | ? | ? | odd | ? | ? | Mana_Shell | |||||||||||||||
45 | 4.5 | 6.8 | 11.3 | 5.6 | ? | ? | even | ? | ? | Flying_Iris | ||||||||||||||||
56 | 4.5 | 6.8 | 11.3 | 5.6 | ? | ? | ? | ? | Medusa_Egg | |||||||||||||||||
67 | 4.5 | 6.8 | 11.3 | 5.6 | ? | ? | ? | ? | Caterpillar_Lime | |||||||||||||||||
78 | 4.5 | 6.8 | 11.3 | 5.6 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | 25d | Nightshade_Blossom | |||||||||||||||
89 | 4.5 | 6.8 | 11.3 | 5.6 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | 25d | Mocking_Tongues | |||||||||||||||
9A | 4.5 | 6.8 | 11.3 | 5.6 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Eye_Sprouts | ||||||||||||||||
AB | 5.7 | 8.1 | 14.1 | 0 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | 25d | Bitterhair_Leaf | |||||||||||||||
BC | 11.3 | 17.1 | 0 | 0 | ? | ? | ? | Cottoncloud_Bud | ||||||||||||||||||
C1 | 12.6 | wrap | 15.7 | 0 | 0 | ? | ? | ? | Ear_Truffle | |||||||||||||||||
% | 15.4 | 13.2 | 13.2 | 13.2 | 13.2 | 12.7 | 13.2 | 15.0 | 18.7 | 22.4 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Max | Four_Once |
% | 6.8 | 6.2 | 6.8 | 8.3 | 6.8 | 6.8 | 6.8 | 6.8 | 6.8 | 6.8 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Max | Twelve_Once |
C_ | T3 | SB | OR | WS | T2 | ST | GM | GS | T1 | SM | GD | S1 | GU | A3 | HT | S2 | HB | A1 | F+ | A2 | F+ | F+ | F+ | |||
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1 | 6 | 3 | 9 | 2 | 5 | 7 | 10 | 8 | 4 | 11 | 12 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Tech | Diploma | |
B | 10% | 40% | 5.6% | 10% | 10% | 40% | 4% | 10% | 4% | 40% | 4% | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Max | Boost |
D | 5:00 | 5:00 | 2:48 | 5:00 | 5:00 | 5:00 | 2:00 | 5:00 | 3:00 | 5:00 | 2:00 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Max | Duration |
12 | 10 | 9.4 | ? | ? | ? | 25d | Fire_Spore | |||||||||||||||||||
23 | 8.1 | 13.5 | 6.7 | ? | wrap | ? | ? | Beetlenut | ||||||||||||||||||
34 | 4.5 | 6.8 | 11.3 | 5.6 | ? | ? | odd | ? | ? | Mana_Shell | ||||||||||||||||
45 | 4.5 | 6.8 | 11.3 | 5.6 | ? | ? | even | ? | ? | Flying_Iris | ||||||||||||||||
56 | 4.5 | 6.8 | 11.3 | 5.6 | ? | ? | ? | ? | Medusa_Egg | |||||||||||||||||
67 | 4.5 | 6.8 | 11.3 | 5.6 | ? | ? | ? | ? | Caterpillar_Lime | |||||||||||||||||
78 | 4.5 | 6.8 | 11.3 | 5.6 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | 25d | Nightshade_Blossom | |||||||||||||||
89 | 4.5 | 6.8 | 11.3 | 5.6 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | 25d | Mocking_Tongues | |||||||||||||||
9A | 4.5 | 6.8 | 11.3 | 5.6 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Eye_Sprouts | ||||||||||||||||
AB | 5.7 | 8.1 | 14.1 | 0 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | 25d | Bitterhair_Leaf | |||||||||||||||
BC | 11.3 | 17.1 | 0 | 0 | ? | ? | ? | Cottoncloud_Bud | ||||||||||||||||||
C1 | 12.6 | wrap | 15.7 | 0 | 0 | ? | ? | ? | Ear_Truffle | |||||||||||||||||
% | 15.4 | 13.2 | 13.2 | 13.2 | 13.2 | 12.7 | 13.2 | 15.0 | 18.7 | 22.4 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Max | Four_Once |
% | 6.8 | 6.2 | 6.8 | 8.3 | 6.8 | 6.8 | 6.8 | 6.8 | 6.8 | 6.8 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Max | Twelve_Once |
C_ | T3 | SB | OR | WS | T2 | ST | GM | GS | T1 | SM | GD | S1 | GU | A3 | HT | S2 | HB | A1 | F+ | A2 | F+ | F+ | F+ | ||||
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1 | 6 | 3 | 9 | 2 | 5 | 7 | 10 | 8 | 4 | 11 | 12 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Tech | Diploma | ||
B | 10% | 40% | 5.6% | 10% | 10% | 40% | 4% | 10% | 4% | 40% | 4% | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Max | Boost | |
D | 5:00 | 5:00 | 2:48 | 5:00 | 5:00 | 5:00 | 2:00 | 5:00 | 3:00 | 5:00 | 2:00 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Max | Duration | |
1234 | ? | ? | ? | 25d | Fire_Spore | ||||||||||||||||||||||
2345 | ? | wrap | ? | ? | Beetlenut | ||||||||||||||||||||||
3456 | ? | ? | odd | ? | ? | Mana_Shell | |||||||||||||||||||||
4567 | ? | ? | even | ? | ? | Flying_Iris | |||||||||||||||||||||
5678 | ? | ? | ? | ? | Medusa_Egg | ||||||||||||||||||||||
6789 | ? | ? | ? | ? | Caterpillar_Lime | ||||||||||||||||||||||
789A | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | 25d | Nightshade_Blossom | ||||||||||||||||||||
89AB | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | 25d | Mocking_Tongues | ||||||||||||||||||||
9ABC | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Eye_Sprouts | |||||||||||||||||||||
ABC1 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | 25d | Bitterhair_Leaf | ||||||||||||||||||||
BC12 | ? | ? | ? | Cottoncloud_Bud | |||||||||||||||||||||||
C123 | ? | ? | ? | Ear_Truffle | |||||||||||||||||||||||
% | 15.4 | 13.2 | 13.2 | 13.2 | 13.2 | 12.7 | 13.2 | 15.0 | 18.7 | 22.4 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Max | Four_Once | |
% | 6.8 | 6.2 | 6.8 | 8.3 | 6.8 | 6.8 | 6.8 | 6.8 | 6.8 | 6.8 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Max | Twelve_Once |
C_ | T3 | SB | OR | WS | T2 | ST | GM | GS | T1 | SM | GD | S1 | GU | A3 | HT | S2 | HB | A1 | F+ | A2 | F+ | F+ | F+ | ||||
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1 | 6 | 3 | 9 | 2 | 5 | 7 | 10 | 8 | 4 | 11 | 12 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Tech | Diploma | ||
B | 10% | 40% | 4.4% | 10% | 10% | 40% | 4% | 10% | 4% | 40% | 4% | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Max | Boost | |
D | 5:00 | 5:00 | 2:48 | 5:00 | 5:00 | 5:00 | 2:00 | 5:00 | 3:00 | 5:00 | 2:00 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Max | Duration | |
12345 | ? | ? | ? | 25d | Fire_Spore | ||||||||||||||||||||||
23456 | ? | wrap | ? | ? | Beetlenut | ||||||||||||||||||||||
34567 | ? | ? | odd | ? | ? | Mana_Shell | |||||||||||||||||||||
45678 | ? | ? | even | ? | ? | Flying_Iris | |||||||||||||||||||||
56789 | ? | ? | ? | ? | Medusa_Egg | ||||||||||||||||||||||
6789A | ? | ? | ? | ? | Caterpillar_Lime | ||||||||||||||||||||||
789AB | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | 25d | Nightshade_Blossom | ||||||||||||||||||||
89ABC | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | 25d | Mocking_Tongues | ||||||||||||||||||||
9ABC1 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Eye_Sprouts | |||||||||||||||||||||
ABC12 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | 25d | Bitterhair_Leaf | ||||||||||||||||||||
BC123 | ? | ? | ? | Cottoncloud_Bud | |||||||||||||||||||||||
C1234 | ? | ? | ? | Ear_Truffle | |||||||||||||||||||||||
% | 15.4 | 13.2 | 13.2 | 13.2 | 13.2 | 12.7 | 13.2 | 15.0 | 18.7 | 22.4 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Max | Four_Once | |
% | 6.8 | 6.2 | 6.8 | 8.3 | 6.8 | 6.8 | 6.8 | 6.8 | 6.8 | 6.8 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | Max | Twelve_Once |
% S | 1+8+8+8 Singles | Cost | 1+8+4 Doubles | Cost | 1+8 Triples | Cost | 1+6 Quads | Cost | 5 Quintus | Cost | 1+4 Sextets | Cost | 3+4+5 +6+7 | Cost | 7+6+5 +4+3 | Cost |
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Everything | ==== | ==== | ==== | ==== | ==== | Partials | ==== | ==== | ==== | ==== | ==== | Staggered | ==== | ==== | ==== | |
Bad | Worse | Better | Good | Better | Best | Horrible | Good | |||||||||
20.0 | 1 | 50p | ||||||||||||||
28.3 | 1 | 127p | ||||||||||||||
34.6 | 2 | 188p | 111 | 246p | 333 | 246p | ||||||||||
40.0 | 3 | 255p | 1111 | 429p | ||||||||||||
44.7 | 4 | 328p | 22 | 415p | 11111 | 710p | 11111 | 710p | ||||||||
49.0 | 5 | 409p | ||||||||||||||
52.9 | 6 | 498p | 33 | 620p | 222 | 789p | 1111111 | 1810p | 4444 | 816p | 7777777 | 1810p | ||||
56.6 | 7 | 595p | ||||||||||||||
60.0 | 8 | 702p | 44 | 867p | 2222 | 1400p | ||||||||||
63.2 | 1 | 933p | 333 | 1267p | 22222 | 1853p | ||||||||||
66.3 | 2 | 1115p | 55 | 1167p | ||||||||||||
69.3 | 3 | 1315p | 55555 | 2198p | ||||||||||||
72.1 | 4 | 1535p | 66 | 1530p | 444 | 1905p | 3333 | 2411p | 222222 | 4036p | 666666 | 4036p | ||||
74.8 | 5 | 1777p | ||||||||||||||
77.5 | 6 | 2043p | 77 | 1969p | 33333 | 3694p | ||||||||||
80.0 | 7 | 2335p | 555 | 2753p | ||||||||||||
82.5 | 8 | 2657p | 88 | 2500p | 4444 | 3889p | ||||||||||
84.9 | 1 | 3350p | 666666 | 5784p | 55555 | 6485p | ||||||||||
87.2 | 2 | 3895p | 11 | 4261p | 666 | 3882p | 333333 | 7980p | ||||||||
89.4 | 3 | 4494p | 44444 | 6658p | ||||||||||||
91.7 | 4 | 5153p | 22 | 5783p | 5555 | 6053p | ||||||||||
93.8 | 5 | 5878p | 777 | 5384p | 4444 | 8865p | ||||||||||
95.9 | 6 | 6676p | 33 | 7625p | ||||||||||||
98.0 | 7 | 7554p | ||||||||||||||
100 | 8 | 8519p | 44 | 9854p | 888 | 7383p | 6666 | 9222p | 55555 | 11.5kp | 444444 | 15.0kp | 7777777 | 15.9kp | 333 | 10.9kp |
That was all Greek to me but happy you are figuring it out for a lot of us! I am sure it will be more understandable as you refine it.Verification Recipes - What's Next?
If you enjoy crunching the numbers, and enjoy squeezing every last drop of blood out of game algorithms, I'd be delighted to delegate a portion of my ongoing Validation Recipe project.
Who knows, we might even set up a PERT Chart. Can you tell that I'm an Engineer, by preference and profession? Ohhh! Guess what!!! If you click on the Emoji tool at the top of your forum post, they have a bunch of game icons! I'll have to talk to @Villanesque about including ALL of the Cauldron Effects in the Emojis.
- Once my Beta city reaches Cauldrons (in a couple of weeks,) I'll verify the numbers and publish a Verification Recipe - Four Diplomas as a "Now what do I do" guide to get folks off to a clean and enjoyable start for the Cauldron.
- I'm running a Logarithmic Spline Fit on the % Success rate per Number of Ingredients, and will hopefully be able to nail down a precise formula which is needed in order to duck under the roundoff error in the program's displayed % Success rate for a given recipe
- One Ingredient for 20% is probably not really exact. The One or else the 20.0%, or both, are probably imprecise
- Likewise for Twenty Five Ingredients for 100%
- The interior numbers, Ingredients 2-24 probably only have roundoff errors, which I'm ducking under by using an Excel logarithmic trend line to get more precision and an approximate formula for 2-24 Ingredients, then I'm using a brute force Excel Solver approach to minimize the R^2 errors, until the coefficients reveal themselves (no R^2 errors.)
- As soon as a level 20 player with 20 Diplomas (their Tech Tree is entirely complete) offers their support, we'll extrapolate a 20 Diploma Verification Recipe Chart to ensure that we've spotted all of the sneaky errors in our reverse engineered Cauldron model
- The adjacent Odd or adjacent Even structure of Recipes for 13-24 Diplomas STRONGLY suggests that we'll be seeing 12 additional Ingredients that have interlaced adjacent Even or adjacent Odd NEGATIVE contribution Ingredients (Rattlesnake Venom anyone?). Being able to Bump an Effect, by suppressing adjacent effects, will facilitate some very high % Success recipes without a lot of garbage Effects. After all, what's the point of Buffing an Effect if you always end up drinking something else?
- As time permits, we'll be offering an Excel recipe design tool that can be downloaded, for the folks who enjoy squeezing the last drop of water out of every sponge, and we MAY move all of this stuff into a new GUIDE flagged Verification Recipe thread, and include a chart for each Diploma level, if folks are struggling with the Excel tools.
- Right now we're assuming that Recipe Costs are driven by next price 154% increase for the Ingredient that was just added, and the next price 110% increase for everything else. But it may be more complicated than that, and in the Recipe Design Spreadsheet we'll probably want to include an "It's gonna cost ya!" projection that's accurate.
- We'll include a Cookbook summary, for the player designed recipes, that can be cut and pasted directly into the forum
- Along the way, we'll be comparing our recipe results with those provided by the design tools that Karvest has offered in the Beta forum
As soon as a level 20 player with 20 Diplomas (their Tech Tree is entirely complete) offers their support, we'll extrapolate a 20 Diploma Verification Recipe Chart to ensure that we've spotted all of the sneaky errors in our reverse engineered Cauldron model.
Nope. All Ingredients are equally effective. The Ingredients ALL have a 1123 = 7 vector, and the active cells are simply staggered as you go down the list of Ingredients. EVERY Ingredient actives FOUR adjacent Effects. Missing Diplomas will knock out a cell, so Recipe Design is all about:the possible ingredients could be ordered in their effectiveness