After complaining to the Support about the new tourney system, I've been kindly invited to post my data here, so here I am.
My Data:
442 mandatory researches completed
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120 non-premium expansions (including initial 6)
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37 Premium expansions
900 Ancient Wonders levels
I have Fire Phoenix Stage 10 and 5 Stage 10 Brown Bears.
I have no tourney cooldown, allowing me to use the same boosts for 2 Tourneys and 2 Spire Runs.
My initial Squadsize (province 1 @ round 1) is 2,405
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Tourney is done fighting only, I never cater. (After the Tourney changes, I had to cater a few provinces after getting a defeat. I never got defeats with Old Tourney system)
I usually have on average 1 DA + 1UUU + 2 or 3ELR + 2 or 3MMM + Fire Phoenix as boosts
Difficulty:
To give you a rough idea, to me, tourney province 20* is harder than top of Spire:
Top of Spire: My SS: 66,912 - Opponent SS: 63,667
Province 20*: My SS: 44,820 - Opponent SS: 68,127
Note that the comparison is made on opponent SS, but in Top of Spire, my SS is ~the same as Opponent SS, while in tourney province 20*, my SS is only 2/3 of Opponents SS. Taking into account the Own/Opponent SS ratio, I would rather say that,
to me, tourney province 15* is same difficulty as Top of Spire.
Wich matches the fact I start getting unexpected troops losses around tourney province 20*, or province 15****** where my SS is 33,615 and Opponent SS is 44,708
The difficulty comes from the combination of 3 things:
- a high initial squadsize due to having all expansions (except the 2 Premium released with Ch.17), Maxed out AWs, and beeing at mid-Chapter 17. All Own and Opponent squadsizes for any province and round are calculated from this initial squadsize.
- the very fast increase of own squadsize calculated as initial SS x (Province+Round-1)
- the even faster increase of opponent squadsize. I have no formula here, but to give and idea:
Opponent SS = Own SS at Province 8*
Opponent SS =
1.5x Own SS at province 20*
Opponent SS =
2x Own SS at province 34*
Lastly, Chapter 17 increases a lot this already very high difficulty, without giving any compensation in the form of troops promotion or military AWs. I can already feel the difference beeing at mid-Chapter. To me, it is just a nonsense that progressing in the game (aka completing Chapter 17) will only result in worst tourney performances that are already terribly affected by the new tourney system.
Result:
It is 2 years I am #1 player on US7 (current score is 3.2M)
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It is more than 2 years I WAS ranked #1 every tourney.
With the previous tourney system, I was able to do ALL my provinces(75-80) @ 6 rounds for a score of ~20K in a sustainable way and while still increasing my troops reserve, which means I was producing more troops than I was using.
Since the new tourney system, I can hardly do more than 20 provinces for a score of 5400 in a sutainable way, which puts me down to rankings page 10~15.
The reason is I'm getting HUGE troops losses (and even some defeats) on fights that used to be easy and even lossless (or almost).
I just see some player noticed my issue:
The top player in Ceravyn (
@Shyama1 @2.4M) was routinely the top tournament player (19 armories?). Now she is toward the bottom of the first page (8K+). Overall, the first page of the tournament results looks familiar, filled with top level players.
She was clearly hurt by the change.
(Note to sam67: I am male)
What used to be called progression (aka completing researches) must now be called regression. I am currently at mid-Chapter 17 and still working on it. Why ? Probably out of habit. I shouldn't, this is just suicide, as the ONLY result will be making much harder tournaments that are already tremendsouly hard. For this reason I no longer enjoy completing this new chapter, it is not longer a pleasure to play, but a stressing duty. With the Old Tourney system, I would have only Small Ships and do 15mins Guest Goods productions all day long. Due to the New tournament system, I have 3 (max) of each Large Ships and am doing mostly 9 hours productions.
I used to enjoy tournaments a lot. For the all the above mentionned reasons I no longer enjoy doing tournaments.
Then I say to myself... wait... this is a game, isn't it supposed to be relaxing and give me pleasure ?
What's left ? The Spire. 20 mins / week.
And some strong friendships with my FS members and other players. I think that's the only reason why I'm still there.
In my initial ticket to the Support, my main question was "CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHY I SHOULD KEEP PLAYING THIS GAME ?"
Thanks
@Nightguest and
@helya for starting this thread, please let me know if you need any additional info.
Shyama1
EDIT2
Adding my
Tournament History (Elvenstats data) and will keep updated (last update: 2021-02-02)
A few explanations are needed here:
- Between mid 2019 and mid 2020, some tourneys show very low score, or no score at all. This is due to Elvenstats failing to retrieve data. This occured from time to time and happened to last a few days up to more than a week. It seems the issue has been fixed mid-2020
- New tourneys are those in the dark blue frame
- As you can see, I managed decent scores on the first 2 tourneys (Marble: 21,870 and Steel: 17,550). This was made possible because I had a huge troops stock (~2000 Squads of each Barracks units, 1000+ Squads of each other units). But I got quite a lot of defeats on high provinces doing those 2 first tourneys. I catered every lost fight (I never lost a fight with the old tourney system) and these first 2 tourney with the new system just ate all my troops. Past that point, my score reflects what I can do in an (almost) sustainable way. Almost because I had to use my 5 Brown Bears more often than I used to, thus depleting my Pet Food stock (I am down from 100+ Pet Food to 63 and can't keep using my Brown Bears that often or I will run out of Pet Foods soon).
EDIT1
I just thougt posting some battle results of both ancient tourney and new tourney system may help you understand better my issue with new tourney system, as they give facts and numbers, so here are some battle results of
old tourney system. Format is Tourney-YYWW where YY is the year and WW is the week of the year.
Tourney-1912-Marble-Round-2-Province-41-Battle-4
Tourney-1912-Marble-Round-2-Province-55-Battle-4
Tourney-1904-Steel-Round-5-Province-60-Battle-4
Tourney-1904-Steel-Round-5-Province-59-Battle-3
Tourney-1941-Planks-Round-1-Province-51-Battle-4
Tourney-1941-Planks-Round-1-Province-50-Battle-4
Tourney-1942-Crystal-Round-2-Province-33-Battle-2
Tourney-1915-Crystal-Round-2-Province-47-Battle-3
Tourney-1916-Scrolls-Round-1-Province-43-Battle-2
Tourney-1916-Scrolls-Round-1-Province-42-Battle-3
Tourney-1926-Silk-Round-5-Province-49-Battle-1
Tourney-1917-Silk-Round-1-Province-50-Battle-4
Tourney-1927-Elixir-Round-1-Province-50-Battle-3
Tourney-1936-Elixir-Round-5-Province-48-Battle-4
Tourney-1928-Dust-Round-1-Province-47-Battle-3
Tourney-1928-Dust-Round-1-Province-43-Battle-3
Tourney-1920-Gems-Round-5-Province-52-Battle-4
Tourney-1920-Gems-Round-5-Province-53-Battle-1
I will post battle results with new tourney system as I get them, but don't expect such high provinces ...