Iyapo
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'fight x world map encounters' OR 'Negotiate x world map encounters'. THATS NOT AN OR. Thats the same damn thing
As a catering city that is a legit less problematic OR to me.
'fight x world map encounters' OR 'Negotiate x world map encounters'. THATS NOT AN OR. Thats the same damn thing
First off, if youre putting out an event that lowwer chapter players can not finish, by design, and that higher chapter players may not be able to finish, by design.... then you just failed in creating a quality event for your player base. That simple.
More specifically, quests like 'world map encounters' have an inherently flawed issue for any city over scouted, parked, or finished the last chapter. Now while one can argue over parked cities... theres pretty much nothing in game that warns you again over scouting. In fact for many newer and intermediate players, they go balls out on it because they think they need the extra prov expansions from them. The game doesnt rly explain the concept of smaller compact cities, making specific choice with there available room and all that very clear. When i started this game, it told us nothing of the sort. It showed how to build buildings and upgrade them. Ultra basics. But that was it. The rest was just left to figure out on your own. And while that can be a interesting thing to do, you cant.. shouldnt.. have a system designed to punish players that might not have figured it out so quickly. -- And cities at the end of the chapters not only face the over scouting issue as well, but they have 2-5 day scout times on top of it.
Id also like to be perfectly clear about one point i continually make.
A while back, there were some quests that were causing so much problems, so much outrage form the player base, that inno actually did remove them completely. And sometimes near completely (As were seeing 'scout a prov/finish a prov' sneak its way back in.)
Im not asking for quests like world map encounters or buy kp to be removed completely. Im asking for a legit OR option. Thats all.
That single thing, if done right, solves all or nearly all the issues with these quests. In fact, for a short while, inno actually did that. And it worked beautifully. So naturally they changed it. Which is what infuriates us even more.
For all the more problematic quests, you give a legit less problematic OR option. And let the player chose which to do. Very simple. But i have to spell that out because we somehow went from 'fight/negotiate x world map encounters' (single quest) being a real problem for some, to inno making it 'fight x world map encounters' OR 'Negotiate x world map encounters'. THATS NOT AN OR. Thats the same damn thing! Its nothing more then a slap in the face to do that. You dont make the OR option the same damn thing! Hell, they could have at least make it world map encounter OR tourny/spire. Even that would have been slightly better then what they did. (Tho still irritating because they actually have a single quest 'solve x world map/tourney/spire encounters'.
They dont need to remove more quests... they dont need to inherently change the game.. just give a legit OR option.. and all these issues go away. Its that damn simple. Which is part of why its so infuriating to some of us.
As a catering city that is a legit less problematic OR to me.
I cannot like this enough times.I would throw three kinds of fits if Inno decided to lock new cities completely out of the events. There are really good prizes in the events and new cities can collect hundreds of currency by picking up event currency around the city and collecting daily event currency. Allowing them to grab a bunch of free loot from event chests, some of which is super useful for them. I think locking new cities out of the event until chapter "X" would be punitive.
They have had several variations over the years.It used to be "fight x# of world map encounters". No OR.
Yes. 'Fight or negotiate x amount of world map enc' (sinlge quest) is the same thing as 'fight x world map enc' OR ' negotiate x world map enc.'I like that there is an or and it is not the same thing.
"Fight x world map encounters" is not the same as "Negotiate x world map encounters".fight x world map enc' OR ' negotiate x world map enc.'
Correct."Fight x world map encounters" is not the same as "Negotiate x world map encounters".
Partially true.When they phrase it "Fight or Negotiate x world map encounters" it is already two options rolled into 1
My intent was to address the apparent tone of your comments, not make a personal attack; however, I should have found a more patient way to express my thoughts. Please accept my apologies for any distress I have caused you, and I hope you will be able to return and enjoy the forums shortly.And back to personal attacks. I think it's time for me to have a break.
The only players who can not do these quests are players below chapter 8 with 220 provinces cleared. Players that are over scouted or parked above that line can do these quest they just don't want to spend speed ups on them or wait 5 days. I get that. Do you get that changing these quests like they did here:Players over scouted, parked, or at the end game, simple do not have extra world map encounters available.
Completely screws over ALL new players in chapters 1-4? This was changed and the change made one group happy at the expense of another group.- Donate to Magic Academy (OR) Scout Provinces replaced with Buy Knowledge Points.
- Donate to Magic Academy (OR) Scout Provinces replaced with Gain Relics.
- Donate to Magic Academy (OR) Scout Provinces replaced with Use a Recruit Units Instant.
They prob care more about new players than end-gamers. The latter has nothing really new to spend money or diamonds on. New players probably bring in way more revenue. My small city is a diamond pit because I have artifacts galore to buy, but I can’t really think of anything the game introduces that my bigger cities critically need to do what it needs to do and they aren’t even end game yet.But I think the developers were going for a way to empty the coffers of the high-chapter players and did not think about newer players at all.
side note first; i dont think that made anyone happy. Because the Donation window is only avialable for a short time AFTER you use the cauldron. No other way to access it. You must uses its once a week effect first. That is an inherent flaw imo. That donation window should always be accessible in its own tab.Do you get that changing these quests like they did here:
Completely screws over ALL new players in chapters 1-4? This was changed and the change made one group happy at the expense of another group.
And back to personal attacks. I think it's time for me to have a break.
My intent was to address the apparent tone of your comments, not make a personal attack; however, I should have found a more patient way to express my thoughts. Please accept my apologies for any distress I have caused you, and I hope you will be able to return and enjoy the forums shortly.
Quite a few actually.How many players out of thousands do you think have the same opinion? I can see some comments. Some are from the same people every event and some are new. Most of the new ones don't realise that buying KPs is actually good for them. And I think that Inno knows better what is good for Inno.
You seem to have some idealized conception of Inno. But Inno has quite a record of pissing off the Elvenar players. But the whole point comes down to the simple fact that what ATTRACTS players is good for Inno, what chases them away or pisses them off is not.
shocking, isn't it ??The fact that they knowingly continue to add versions that serve only to piss ppl off deeply concerns me.
I too find there are a couple squeaky wheels which make the forum very hard to read. If the forum was a quest then reading these posts is like "Buy 20 KP". You don't need to complete every event or anything at all to have fun playing this game. There are thousands of players who don't do well in tournaments, don't complete the events, have never reached the top of the spire and guess what...they still enjoy the game. One of my fellowships is full of them. I do the recruiting because none of them know what ElvenStats is (indispensible for me, unlike this event). I look at cities full of meandering roads and half evolved buildings but these people don't care. The game is hard (see posts about rearranging your city) get used to it and enjoy it for what it is. That's it. Now hopefully I can go back to reading posts about what buildings are great or how to do something rather than this.
Same here. I do not have a Discord account and don't really enjoy being forced to have one in order to be able to access the forum info.In a few months more, this will not matter, since it seems, according to announcements so far on other forums, that all the Elvenar forums will be getting shut down in favor of Discord. I hate Discord, so I guess I will get all my info from Facebook or not at all.