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Gravity Inn

Enevhar Aldarion

Oh Wise One
With all our complaints and non-complaints and whatever about this, I think what bugs me more than having to do any of this for a chance at a building is that Inno has never said how many people on each platform will be chosen as winners. Is it 10 or 100 or 1000 or what? Has anyone seen anything posted by them saying how many winners there will be? Was it in any of the fine print that I missed? Because, while I do not know the EU laws where they are based, I am pretty sure US law requires this to be stated for any kind of giveaway where there are a limited number of winners.
 

Ashrem

Oh Wise One
Oh please. They've given numerous avenues to accomplish the same goal, not only youtube.
One Other. Two is not numerous, it is two.
I think commenting in the forum was one?
You think incorrectly. The only way to get one via the forums is if a moderator nominates you.
You're spending all this time doing that instead. So is Ashrem. In fact, you 2 have spent more time complaining in the forum than actually going to the various social media websites to do a minimum of time.
Not even close to all. Fewer than 20% of my last hundred posts have related to the gravity inn in any way. I actually spend a lot of time in the "Ideas and Suggestions" and "Questions and Help" forums. Since you have no idea how much time I spent composing my little story as comment on Youtube, that's a pretty big assumption on your part. And you don't have a clue what I do on Facebook.
I do have to wonder though, who doesn't have a youtube account these days. Watch a buncha old folks say, "I don't." Hey, I'm old but I didn't get caught in times gone by.
Nice little sideways insult there. Network privacy and security happen to be core parts of my job, and I have a personal interest in them. It's all well and good to attack someone's credibility by inferring they are a luddite or technophobe, but you have no evidence for your attack. I'll bet you my next 1000 kp that just for my writing and marketing, I have more social media and email accounts than you, probably by a factor of five. I'll start the showdown with 96 active gmail accounts for my mainstream, SFF and Historical fiction, and throw in 19 more for my erotica publishing.
 
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Ashrem

Oh Wise One
@AshremThat said, I understand why some people are not comfortable using any social media.
People are very quick to read what isn't there. Not wanting to activate a Youtube account to enter a contest is not anything like not being comfortable with social media. I had over 200,000 followers on one Tumblr before they made it non-erotica-friendly in December.
 

DeletedUser

Guest
With all our complaints and non-complaints and whatever about this, I think what bugs me more than having to do any of this for a chance at a building is that Inno has never said how many people on each platform will be chosen as winners. Is it 10 or 100 or 1000 or what? Has anyone seen anything posted by them saying how many winners there will be? Was it in any of the fine print that I missed? Because, while I do not know the EU laws where they are based, I am pretty sure US law requires this to be stated for any kind of giveaway where there are a limited number of winners.

I have not seen any statement regarding number of winners per platform yet. And because InnoGames is based outside of the US, laws governing sweepstakes or contests may be tricky. But I don't think you've missed any fine print. :)

This is the Terms & Conditions posted along with the Facebook contest. https://docs.google.com/document/d/...7v1KmBgd_Ozw4put3saVIs75B3w2RjHw1K8nHbdOKBh7k

At the bottom of the document, it states

Art. 11 Contact

If you have any questions about the prize draw, feel free to send them to:
contest@social.elvenar.com.

People are very quick to read what isn't there. Not wanting to activate a Youtube account to enter a contest is not anything like not being comfortable with social media. I had over 200,000 followers on one Tumblr before they made it non-erotica-friendly in December.

I was not insinuating that you personally are not comfortable with social media. If I had been, I would have said, "I understand that you are not comfortable using social media." :p
 

mucksterme

Oh Wise One
I do have to wonder though, who doesn't have a youtube account these days. Watch a buncha old folks say, "I don't."

Well they say with age comes wisdom.
So maybe it is only old folks who are wise enough to know you don't need an account to watch videos on Youtube.
Maybe some people just do not feel the need to have accounts for Youtube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Pornhub, Foursquare, Tumblr, Vimeo, Skype, Pinterest, Reddit, Grindr, Myspace, Yourspace, Hisspace, Outerspace yada yada yada
Believe it or not there are still some few people who are not afraid of fresh air, sunlight, and eye contact.
Yeah, I know, they are the stupid ones. Those morons who do not have Youtube accounts.

I just don't think any of us know enough about any of the others to make blanket statements of any kind.

What about quilt statements?
Maybe some of us are Amish
 

bkbajb

Well-Known Member
Well they say with age comes wisdom.
So maybe it is only old folks who are wise enough to know you don't need an account to watch videos on Youtube.
Maybe some people just do not feel the need to have accounts for Youtube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Pornhub, Foursquare, Tumblr, Vimeo, Skype, Pinterest, Reddit, Grindr, Myspace, Yourspace, Hisspace, Outerspace yada yada yada
Believe it or not there are still some few people who are not afraid of fresh air, sunlight, and eye contact.
Yeah, I know, they are the stupid ones. Those morons who do not have Youtube accounts.



What about quilt statements?
Maybe some of us are Amish


So true. I for 1 do not and will not have any accounts on social media. I just do not feel the need to have them. What others do are up to them. With that being said I do not want this building. I enjoy the game and the challenge, but see no value of this building. So now I am going to get ready and enjoy the beautiful day outdoors with my wife.
 

DeletedUser3122

Guest
Network privacy and security happen to be core parts of my job

Re: Youtube, etc. - then can you tell me how you find this forum gives network privacy over Youtube? And even more, how elvenstats.com (which I use and like very much) contributes to privacy playing the game? It's a bit like looking at someone's credit report, if you asked me. I do research potential candidates with elvenstats, but something tells me it's pretty fishy that anyone can load a private player's information. I'd venture to guess this forum is less private than Youtube. In fact, with the GDPR compliance, I'd venture to guess Inno may be in violation on some fronts.

In other words, I don't understand the Youtube "privacy" objection, when there are lots more things vulnerable as well. It's pick & choose as far as I can tell. Facebook is proven horrible for privacy, and yet some here who won't have a Youtube account have Facebook, which is far more invasive.

Facebook won't even allow me to see more posts in my newsfeed unless I add friends - I'm not "allowed" to have an account for gaming only, in which I have no friends? I dunno, it's all a buncha nonsense in today's world of privacy laws.
 

Ashrem

Oh Wise One
Re: Youtube, etc. - then can you tell me how you find this forum gives network privacy over Youtube?
There is no public connection between a forum participant and their email address. Inno is not using my email address to sell targeted advertising to third parties. By having a Youtube account, Google can use my viewing habits to sell targeted advertising to any outside company they want. My google profile connects my browser to my email address to my video viewing habits, and to my android phone's location and activity.

And even more, how elvenstats.com (which I use and like very much) contributes to privacy playing the game? It's a bit like looking at someone's credit report, if you asked me.
That's a ridiculous statement. If you think elvenstats is in any way, shape, or form similar to a credit report, then I am comfortable never asking you for advice about anything.

I do research potential candidates with elvenstats, but something tells me it's pretty fishy that anyone can load a private player's information.
You appear to have trouble differentiating characters from players. Again, if you think that statistics about the progress and design of an Elvenar city gives some insight into the player behind it, I am comfortable never asking you for advice about anything.

In other words, I don't understand the Youtube "privacy" objection, when there are lots more things vulnerable as well.
Youtube provides a look inside the things that I choose to watch, which provides significant insight into my psychological makeup. They then take that insight aggregate it with my movements the content of my emails and use it to market goods ans services to me. If you really can't see a difference between Elvenar (and its forums) and Youtube and all the things Google knows about us, I can only repeat myself about the value of your advice.
 

DeletedUser3122

Guest
There is no public connection between a forum participant and their email address.

It's as public as Youtube's - you are required to have an email address to register Elvenar to play. And let's not forget, Google already knows who you are if you use the mobile app. with your IP address. In order to get rewards in Elvenar, you also have to have an email address for them to contact you. And yes, you are tracked unless you use a boatload of anti-trackers. I get hits all the time because I play Elvenar with a browser, even in my Google newsfeed! Unless someone is extremely vigilant and hidden, they will be known, no matter what.

You're bypassing my main point. You choose your poison.

If you think elvenstats is in any way, shape, or form similar to a credit report, then I am comfortable never asking you for advice about anything.

lol as if you ever have? Or ever would, regardless? I don't look up to anyone on the forum, so it's just fine if you don't ask my advice. Elvenstats - how do they scrape that information from an Elvenar account, when the 2 aren't even affiliated? Of course it's an invasion of privacy! lol

Youtube provides a look inside the things that I choose to watch

You've already said how much you're into erotica. I'd guess you're more than well-tracked through those websites, 19 email addresses or not. lol
 

hvariidh gwendrot

Well-Known Member
i watch youtube stuff and don't have an acct, i have no concerns with privacy as every one has been hacked and information is available on everyone, thieves are using people credit cards and the companies just pay and write it off as cost of doing biz and even playing elvenar i get ads from things i look up on other tabs like sealing 50 gallon drums to use for compost, so you're being watched either by an ai or a human, the reason i don't do social media is cats in hats just isn't my thing and honestly this gravity inn dosn't rock my world it isn't that great
 

Ashrem

Oh Wise One
It's as public as Youtube's
No, it isn't. Any advertiser can say I'd like to present an add to anyone who liked video XXXXX and Google will do it. Elvenar does not advertise other companies' products to us. Nobody can say "Show my add to anyone who posted in this thread." Nobody.

And let's not forget, Google already knows who you are if you use the mobile app. with your IP address. In order to get rewards in Elvenar, you also have to have an email address for them to contact you. And yes, you are tracked unless you use a boatload of anti-trackers. I get hits all the time because I play Elvenar with a browser, even in my Google newsfeed! Unless someone is extremely vigilant and hidden, they will be known, no matter what.
I don't permit any persistent cookies except for the ones I specify, and I consistently use a vpn. If I use a Youtube account (which is automatically attached to a google account) they don't need a cookie. They have indexed every email I've sent and received, and can tie it to any video I like or watch.
You're bypassing my main point. You choose your poison.
Not bypassing anything. I am expressing my disinclination to enter contests that require me to use a social media account. As it is my right to do.
Elvenstats - how do they scrape that information from an Elvenar account, when the 2 aren't even affiliated? Of course it's an invasion of privacy! lol
You just don't get it. They don't "scrape" anything that anyone couldn't get if they wanted to. Anyone who visits your city can see your score, and your rank, and all of your buildings, what level they are, how many KP are in your Ancient Wonders, how much space your city takes up. Anyone wants to can go into the list of city names after the tournament and see how many points you got, and what your standing was. Elvenstats doesn't have any information that isn't available to anyone. They're just doing all the work and doing all the math and consolidating it and making it look pretty. They still can't go to an advertiser and say we can present an add to anyone who spent more than $100 on diamonds last month and has an email in their outbox that has the words "buying a car" in them. Elvenar and youtube are an entire universe apart in marketing because they can see inside your emails, and have publicly said that they will.
You've already said how much you're into erotica. I'd guess you're more than well-tracked through those websites, 19 email addresses or not. lol
No. I've said I market erotica. I write it, and I sell it (because it pays better than most other markets). The only websites I need to visit are where I'm selling it and the social media accounts where I advertise it and engage with fans. You are once again displaying that you don't know how to take two logically distinct things and avoid making assumptions about how they connect.

And to loop back to the start, if I were trolling skeevy sights for erotica, it would be through a unique browser instance and vpn, with no cookies retained. Because I understand the power of data, and how to avoid making myself any more a part of it than I need to. Which is why I'm irritated by a company, to which I pay money, expecting me to sign up for an assortment of social media sites and publicly connect myself to them in order to be able to win a mediocre prize.

I note you focus on the 16% of my writing related accounts that relate to erotica, and not the 84% related to mainstream writing, but it's exactly what I expected. People without actual arguments love finding a way to attack the character of their opponents. It's quite human, and quite predictable.
 
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