DeletedUser20951
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I'm pretty sure it's been suggested a few times, but I, too, am too lazy to look. XD
Don't think I've seen the other suggestion, though. I believe... it could help? Undecided; I'll have to consider it more.
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Gripe and Bemoan the Horrors of (BAD) Cross-tier (ALWAYS)
Don't think I've seen the other suggestion, though. I believe... it could help? Undecided; I'll have to consider it more.
Risen Malchiah
Well-Known Member
I dont feel a need for a 2nd trader for sentients, but I'd LOVE sentients to be filterable or on a separate tab. It is stupid to go through 20-40 pages of trades searching for the trades worth taking. (Even worse on mobile where you dont have a fellowship filter and just have to keep scrolling & scanning for names of people you want to help.)
Enevhar Aldarion
Oh Wise One
Wow.... *sarcastic golf clap*
I am most of the way through Constructs and have right around 1 million each of the nine normal goods and maybe 100k each of my three boosted sentient goods. I have one manufactory of each type and my Mountain Halls is level 7. I do not think I ever post trades bigger than 5k per trade, mainly because I just do not need to. I will accept trades bigger than that when I need to, or more often if I am helping someone else out, but generally not bigger than 10k-20k per trade.
DeletedUser12171
Guest
Yeah and so you perfectly proved my point - we all post trades that we need. You need 10 - 20 k per trade. I need 100s k weekly. Why do you hate my trades?
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DeletedUser20951
Guest
Hey now, while I am pleased with your usage of an asterisk action, I can't say I approve of the insult. Most of us like to brag a little about our possession of a significant amount of fictional items, but I didn't really see @RandomNo.'s comment as braggy, just a statement of fact.
DeletedUser12171
Guest
I'd just like to point out that the fact in question is that a big output requires big volume of trades to balance
If you make 100k goods a week, to balance 60% of that you could just post 6 x 10 k trades. I make 1 million a week, to balance 60% of that in lots of 10k means I need to put 60 trades just for 1 tier. Now why would I do that if I could put out the same number of trades (6) at 100k each? Is my time less valuable than a smaller player? Do my fingers deserve more punishment than the small producer?
Oh and, apart from the slight, which I'll overlook, I still haven't seen what exactly are the problems big trades are causing that they should be hated against. I do not discriminate among big or small when trading so please just because @Enevhar Aldarion you are not a big producer, don't hate on those who are.
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DeletedUser20951
Guest
It also saves a ton of clicking for those accepting the trades. Doesn't take me long to start ignoring page after page after page of identical small trades from an advanced player, no matter whether I need the goods posted. Luckily, since the Trader groups 'em all together and I don't have to analyze the amounts of same-tier (haven't been able to break the habit of automatically doing this with cross-tier, because my brain hates me), it is easier to jump over to different trades, and I am not irritated near as much as I am with cross-tier. "Near as much" is the keyword phrase, though, as the practice does bug me.
DeletedUser19458
Guest
Bigger problems in this game then complaining about trades that are too big. Seriously. What is that like 1 to 5 lines in your trader window? But 10 pages of 1k for 1k is great to see?
Still better than friggin T3 cross-tiers.
Still better than friggin T3 cross-tiers.
Deleted User - 3932582
Guest
How much time do you guys spend in the trader? Serious question.
I personally don't see a number of trades posted as a significant issue at all. I probably only look in the trader every 2-3 days, and even if I have 50 pages of trades there, it takes me about 1 second per page to assess if there is anything of interest. So I would spend 1 minute every 2-3 days. I don't even use filters, though I could if I would be really annoyed with page flipping. I pick what I want, if it's not sufficient I post my own. Done.
Comparing to some other things in Elvenar, this is far from being a major time sink / grind. For me.
I personally don't see a number of trades posted as a significant issue at all. I probably only look in the trader every 2-3 days, and even if I have 50 pages of trades there, it takes me about 1 second per page to assess if there is anything of interest. So I would spend 1 minute every 2-3 days. I don't even use filters, though I could if I would be really annoyed with page flipping. I pick what I want, if it's not sufficient I post my own. Done.
Comparing to some other things in Elvenar, this is far from being a major time sink / grind. For me.
NightshadeCS
Well-Known Member
Yes, THIS! Post trades for what you need. If it's not working out for you, let's see what other problems may exist and address those. Complaints from players that they can never find what they want in the trader never make sense to me. Maybe if they are posting fair trades (within tier) and they sit around for 2 or more days, I can sympathize.
DeletedUser20255
Guest
If I were only interested in myself I would probably limit my trader visits to one per day. Mostly to balance my inventory and fishing for goods I'm short on. Since I'm also interested in my FS members I visit at least 4 times per day to see what my members need and to pick up trades they are offering to help out the FS as a whole before they are snapped up by outsiders.
Filtering to FS only usually limits it to about 4 pages so it doesn't take long.
DeletedUser20255
Guest
We're worlds apart. The shortage of T2 goods is real and posting for them (both big and small) doesn't make that go away. 2 or more days? How about expiring after a week.
NightshadeCS
Well-Known Member
I think this can definitely come down to play style. Being a min-maxer, can I assume that you keep your excess goods levels fairly low so as to maximize efficiency?
Some players take on the role of providing a lot of goods for their fellowship, which can come about a few different ways.
Some make a choice. They maybe don't like fighting in tournies, so they concentrate on productions and funnel them out to their FS.
Others just like to have those big bank balances and then find themselves in the position to funnel goods. That has happened to me, since I am not in any great rush to get to the end of the game. I take my time between chapters, upgrading buildings and building up buffers of goods and troops.
I, therefore, check the trader every time I log on (which is often) and clear what I can for my FS and even some of my neighbors.
NightshadeCS
Well-Known Member
I do indeed feel for you, then, @Count Mein . That is an excessive wait for in-tier trades, no matter which tier we are talking about. There are many factors that may be contributing to that for you, including world, spot on the map, fellowship makeup, and the nature of the trades you are posting.
May I ask, are you making your trades 3-star and still having them expire after a week?
DeletedUser20951
Guest
Yes, that is quite excessive. Think the longest wait I have personally experienced, when my neighborhood was deader (it has since picked up with a few big players becoming active again), was a couple days. There is something curious I have noticed, though, which is that those who keep, and have kept for months, a bunch of cross-tier posted at all times appear to be having their regular in-tier trades ignored. *squints*
DeletedUser20255
Guest
I refuse to make in-tier trades 3 star. Just stubborn I guess. But cross-tier I have offered 10K T3 for 10K T2 and they have expired.
Enevhar Aldarion
Oh Wise One
I don't know how other players feel when they see these types of trades, but they show so rarely for me that I do not touch them. I always worry that the player posted them by accident and I do not want to be the one who takes them. I am not a greedy player.
DeletedUser20951
Guest
I don't make mine three star, either, but it's not really a refusal, it's due to a lack of necessity. If I were having trouble with my trades being taken, I would bump 'em up to this, so they are bumped up on the Trader, as well, and more likely to be accepted.
They're relatively common for me, but I grab them only if I need the goods offered, since I don't want to profit off of it and trading is fairly robust in my areas.
DeletedUser20255
Guest
I have sometimes worried about that too. But not lately. Not in the downward direction. I'm not greedy but I would take that trade in a heartbeat if I wasn't worried about my own imbalance. When I see 3 star CT trades in an upward direction (rare) I take them because why not me. If the offeror is in my FS I try to educate them. The response is usually a pat-on-the-head type thank you.
Deleted User - 3932582
Guest
Not specifically, no. Goods are just not a constraining factor (haven't been in a long time), so I don't pay too much attention to balances. And there are limits to how low I can go in terms of production. If I only have 2 manufactories per tier, I can't effectively reduce production by 10% - I can only reduce it by 50%, and that's too much. As is, I am running 3:2:2 setup so there is not much to cut on production.
Incidentally, my goods balances are relatively consistent over longer term, at 300-500K per good. So it seems that this is an equilibrium setup for my play.