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Except you can't do that in round 1, which is coming up...Or 9 provinces of doing 3 fights each in the first 8 then 1 more in the 9th, because you know you're going to get 11 relics next.
Except you can't do that in round 1, which is coming up...Or 9 provinces of doing 3 fights each in the first 8 then 1 more in the 9th, because you know you're going to get 11 relics next.
No, no they don't. Giving a free pass to act out just because someone is "pissed off" is just not how it works. At least, not with adults.
And no, my post wasn't a post for everyone's feedback and venting and expressing what is annoying them and what is wrong with the game - unless you didn't read my post and just typed that stuff in with no bearing on topic cohesion and relevance to what you were quoting.
Well, things don't go well for them when they go changing things in the middle of an Event. People lost their minds last time they changed something in the middle of an Event. So you're putting them in a no-win situation by expecting something different. Give them a chance to possibly make improvements going forward. I realize the chances are slim, but it's the option we have.
So, if any of us were to say something like this to any of the other forum users, that would be highly inappropriate, wouldn't it? I get that you're just trying to use some colorful language and all, but if you're honestly wanting Inno to listen to what you're saying, that might not be the way to go.
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Ok, I think I am out of this thread now.. What was meant to be one post has been so misconstrued, misread, and blown out of proportion, it has turned into a giant pain in the neck. The juice here, it just isn't worth the squeeze. So I'm gonna take my grumpy old self and my grumpy old dog and we're gonna go take our grumpy old medication now.
Now since you've dropped out, it seems very one sided now, but that's your choice. We apparently communicate differently and that's fine. It takes all kinds as my father would say.
As far as adults go, you must have little contact with people of any age or consider yourself far above anyone. People of all ages get upset and argue. We are disagreeing right now, but because of the format, we don't hear vocal inflections or rising volumes and we can't see facial features.
People communicate in various ways and always will. Some are silent fuming and some are vocal. Life is full of different "works" because we are all different, at least to some extent.
Because people get emotional and angry, especially after they've invested something important to them, like money, (Another example would be their body. Sex makes thing complicated. A couple dating that finally decides that they don't click, breaks up and they haven't had sex, it's no big deal... most stay friendly and move on. Those that had sex, often- they are very angry and express it, loudly) they often lash out in one way or another. They vent... it's normal, especially in a forum type format.
You seem to be the type of person that wants things very neat and tidy when you communicate. Your posts are very analytical, full of details and when someone comments on only one aspect of it, you quickly point out other information in your post as a defense then throw down nice little jabs that show your superiority.
Written formats are a perfect way for you to be just as condescending as you can get and you use it well.
I personally think it's rude.
Yes I read your posts.
Now hold on tight... I agree with you on the bold italic part, but with one little thing. Yes, people got upset, yes things are in a no-win situation- if they made large sweeping changes. Right now, some appropriate tweaks would address some of the problems so I'm not calling for huge changes during the event, just some APPROPRIATE tweaks. The bigger changes can come after the event and especially when setting up the next events.
The underlined response from you I think deserves a comment. I purposely DIDN'T use the word bludgeon directed at a person, as you know. It was directed at the company and I was riffing on the saying "get it into your thick head". INNO is hard headed and unresponsive to the point "you" need to hit them over the head with your responses. So perhaps bludgeon was too strong, but that's obviously debatable. The other side of the coin, is to sweet talk INNO and tell them how wonderful the event is and let it go on being SO enjoyable. But I don't want to lie.
So communication is what it boils down to here. INNO doesn't communicate... and I'm willing to let people vent and rant about something they obviously have an investment in, in one way or another, without the condescending behavior you seem to employ at a moments notice.
In INNO's case, wouldn't it be appropriate to actually respond to a player base that is so upset. As pointed out in other posts, this has been the biggest response on the forum and damn near everyone posting has expresses their dislike of how it's been going.
Players made adjustments, and have coped with the workshop and T-1 buildings as well as possible, but the repeating quests that are supposed to be random are clearly not. This could be tweaked. It would go a long way to soothing the backlash.
So there you go, I think the event could be better and so do you (though I'm not sure anymore). I think we can both agree that INNO isn't communicative and that that could change (though that will probably be a cold day in hell). Our only hope is that Dusty Fairy got through to them.
An adjustment to the random quests wouldn't cause a backlash of negativity, but one of relief. Some might be still be upset, but that's going to happen anyway, since this didn't have to happen this way, because INNO had all the information already from the Beta users.
And I wouldn't be posting this, except I didn't like your attitude and condescending behavior. The tone of your posts is clear.
I don't think you're any better than anyone else on this forum or on the planet. We are all unique individuals. We might not agree, but each is entitled to our own opinions, unless you have an issue with that too, and at your self proclaimed age status, I would think you should know better by now.
Good day Sir, I hope that if you read this, you've had a nice walk with your lovely dog and I hope the sun shone down on you with only warming rays.
And I wouldn't be posting this, except I didn't like your attitude and condescending behavior. The tone of your posts is clear.
I don't think you're any better than anyone else on this forum or on the planet. We are all unique individuals. We might not agree, but each is entitled to our own opinions, unless you have an issue with that too, and at your self proclaimed age status, I would think you should know better by now.
Thanks! This makes sense but doesn't make what is happening right. It doesn't matter if someone has explained WHY it matters that it is happening and hurting the event players. It shouldn't be happening and quite frankly, based on what I'm reading, it's happening more than the above can explain. The complaints here are about changing what is wrong and this event TYPE is wrong. It doesn't work for the gamers. If they wish to play to gain the rewards, they will eventually overscout (especially those who are unaware of the Orc requirement). They kill off goods or troops to complete these requests, then poof, there is that same quest again.For everyone complaining about what seems like consecutive quests, as I have pointed out here and in my other thread, the coding does not think they are consecutive because each range of quests after the first 29 has two separate lists that the quests alternate from. So while both lists are mostly the same options, the coding says that they are not. So to us, two Toolbox requests in a row seems identical, but each of them is from a separate pool of quests and the code and the game say they are different. This is all listed out on the elvengems website.
Why can't we, as adults, be be "pissed off" as you stated? I read everything you posted but I don't have to agree with you. .What's wong with people complaing and letting it out. Makes some feel better and doesn't hurt you...just saying.No, no they don't. Giving a free pass to act out just because someone is "pissed off" is just not how it works. At least, not with adults.
And no, my post wasn't a post for everyone's feedback and venting and expressing what is annoying them and what is wrong with the game - unless you didn't read my post and just typed that stuff in with no bearing on topic cohesion and relevance to what you were quoting.
Aww dang it Ashrem there you go again being rational. I think a little angst is good for the soul sometimes.There's nothing to be gained by making things more personal then they already were. There's plenty of angst for everyone without inserting subjective terms about other peoples frame-of-mind, whether real or imagined.
The difference that I pointed out is that it's not hundreds lodging the same 3 or 4 complaints, rather it's a handful repeating themselves hundreds of times. Not the same thing. At all.
Bricabrac said:52 different people posted in this thread.
Ok, I think I am out of this thread now.. What was meant to be one post has been so misconstrued, misread, and blown out of proportion, it has turned into a giant pain in the neck. The juice here, it just isn't worth the squeeze. So I'm gonna take my grumpy old self and my grumpy old dog and we're gonna go take our grumpy old medication now.
Actually, it's not even a handful. There are 23000 registered members, for a forum that is 52 months old. On average, there are over 400 people joining per month. And most of the fifty in this thread are not new members.Fifty-two customers, in a single forum thread, is hardly "a handful".
Well said.
Thank you for your post - this perfectly sums up what I was feeling reading bricabrac's posts.
There are plenty of posts with reasoning, logic and rational arguments. Having a few with ranting, raving or whining is a nice complement. If anything, *all* the posts so far have shown one thing: We're all passionate about the game. Many of those who are upset are simply expressing how much they would have liked to participate more but are hindered by the design of the quests. For others, like myself, our frustrations are more to do with the lack of two-way communication with the developers for the game we love so much.
There's nothing to be gained by making things more personal then they already were. There's plenty of angst for everyone without inserting subjective terms about other peoples frame-of-mind, whether real or imagined.
I think Bricabrac's heavy handed behavior needed to be addressed, or it would be assumed acceptable by silence
As far as adults go, you must have little contact with people of any age or consider yourself far above anyone.
You seem to be the type of person that wants things very neat and tidy when you communicate. Your posts are very analytical, full of details and when someone comments on only one aspect of it, you quickly point out other information in your post as a defense then throw down nice little jabs that show your superiority.
I personally think it's rude.
So perhaps bludgeon was too strong.
So there you go, I think the event could be better and so do you (though I'm not sure anymore). I think we can both agree that INNO isn't communicative and that that could change (though that will probably be a cold day in hell). Our only hope is that Dusty Fairy got through to them.
And I wouldn't be posting this, except I didn't like your attitude and condescending behavior. The tone of your posts is clear.
I don't think you're any better than anyone else on this forum or on the planet. We are all unique individuals. We might not agree, but each is entitled to our own opinions,
unless you have an issue with that too, and at your self proclaimed age status, I would think you should know better by now.
Good day Sir, I hope that if you read this, you've had a nice walk with your lovely dog and I hope the sun shone down on you with only warming rays.
Why can't we, as adults, be be "pissed off" as you stated? I read everything you posted but I don't have to agree with you. .What's wong with people complaing and letting it out. Makes some feel better and doesn't hurt you...just saying.
His posts "tone" were condescending with rude responses directed a his "audience" and I couldn't let that go unchallenged. I just called him on his terrible behavior. I was offended and others obviously were too.
I was careful to NOT make it a personal attack against his person, just about his behavior and attitude as to what he had written. I was civil and polite as I could be under the eyes of this forum and still get my point across.
My goal wasn't to humiliate, just call him on it to say that's unacceptable behavior on a public forum. As an adult, he should be able to interact socially and respond as the adult he is and do what people have done for centuries, he can apologize for being rude and rejoin the thread with no harm done.
Someone his age should know better.
I'm a little surprised with your post and can't imagine you liked his behavior any more than the rest of us. It was painfully obvious he was out of line. His words were clear and his intent spelled out with a barely restrained venom. And it doesn't matter that 52 people have posted on this thread or only one. That has nothing to do with what is socially acceptable.
Bricabrac's posts contained offensive content that showed his condescending rude behavior... it's plain as day.
So I've had my say, I'm willing and ready to put this behind me. I would welcome information and social dialog with Bricabrac, or anyone, for that matter, with an exchange of information and ideas. I find the forum to be full of nice people and many with wonderful humor.
If we were in a cafe or bar, I'd buy everyone a round of drinks, and yeah, that would include Bricabrac if he apologized.
Now on to the event.