Ashrem
Oh Wise One
That's revisionist. The RR was the first thing brought up by the developers. Blueprints were a (later) interim measure when they couldn't get RR working.
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The Saga of The Restoration Spell..
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DeletedUser12171
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Are you sure?
As far as I know, this is the sequence of events
- players who didn't have magic buildings but did get Blueprints wanted another use for them
- it was decided that a suitable use would be to upgrade event buildings
- to prepare for this feature, building stats were rebalanced to fit the chapters
- RR would be the replacement for Blueprints. All Blueprints would be converted to RR at a ratio 1:10, and be taken out of the game moving forward. Upgrading of both Magic and Event buildings would be through RR. Completing 10 chests would give you 11 RRs
- The implementation faced backlash from players who wanted to upgrade Magic buildings because they would effectively need more than 1 Blueprint per upgrade at higher levels (building size > 10 squares). Also, they would now have to complete more than 10 chests to upgrade one Magic building.
- the implementation was reversed. Blueprints were kept. Magic buildings continue to be upgraded with Blueprints only. RR was also kept but for upgrading Event buildings only. A way to convert RR to Blueprints was added via Crafting. Blueprints would convert 1:10. completing 10 chests would net 5 RRs + 1 Blueprint, for a potential 15 RRs if the Blueprint was converted.
Am I wrong in my understanding?
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DeletedUser20709
Guest
This is a fascinating conversation. So glad I am not far enough into the game to have an opinion. I remember conversations like this in the FOE forums, usually about the battle mechanics, that persisted for years. Great to see people passionate about the game. Carry on. 
DeletedUser20951
Guest
My mind goes, "Ah, they are arguing semantics and personal life/game philosophies again. SURELY THERE WILL BE A 'WINNER'." Muahahahahahaha!This is a fascinating conversation. So glad I am not far enough into the game to have an opinion. I remember conversations like this in the FOE forums, usually about the battle mechanics, that persisted for years. Great to see people passionate about the game. Carry on.
DeletedUser20709
Guest
I'm not so sure that is anyone's goal in these instances...Usually people just want their opinions heard and respected. Of course it's a rare soul who voices an opinion they don't think is correct, but that's human nature for you. So far this thread has remained civil, and I think that's a marvelous indicator as to the character of the people involved. Good people with different views...Welcome to America.
DeletedUser20951
Guest
True, but I am tickled by how often the entire 'argument' tends to be conflating opinions with facts, and misunderstanding, either willfully or not, the other's point. Arguing is of the good, though. SCIENCE SAYS SO. All hail mighty Science!I'm not so sure that is anyone's goal in these instances...Usually people just want their opinions heard and respected. Of course it's a rare soul who voices an opinion they don't think is correct, but that's human nature for you. So far this thread has remained civil, and I think that's a marvelous indicator as to the character of the people involved. Good people with different views...Welcome to America.
SoggyShorts
Mathematician par Excellence
Yeah I was just jumping in on the how much time you need to spend to get 10 chests part of the conversation. (It's not a lot, elevator+toilet time is plenty)*I may have lacked clarity. In your case, by invested I'm much more concerned with thought, planning, and effort, than with the number of hours put into staring at the screen. I've watched you redesign another player's city, who was not in your fellowship, just because you were trying to be helpful. you'll have a hard time convincing me you aren't invested
I can and will design cities for basically anyone who asks in architect, as that's actually more fun than this game most of the time.
*To be clear, yes, I am advising players to use elevators as toilets.
Ashrem
Oh Wise One
Yes, I'm sure, and yes, you're wrong in your understanding, because no, you haven't got the timeline correct. You're basing your understanding on an incomplete sequence of events., which completely ignores the first half of the process.
- Players spend a year+ saying the event buildings are beautiful and they wish they didn't have to discard them. (At least partly misleading, on at least part of the player-base, because for a lot of people it was their power, not their beauty, which they wanted to preserve)
- Players suggest repeatedly that a way to upgrade event buildings would be nice.
- Developers say they are going to make upgrading event buildings a thing
- Developers say they need to adjust the power of event buildings because they will be upgradable soon
- Developers adjust power level of event buildings, leaving some people in chapters 4-6 with up to -10,000 population (half of their total population) (estimate, personally, I only experienced -7,000 population on my Dwarf era city which I abandoned.)
- Developers say, we'll give you a free magic residence to make things better, and a free event building when we figure out how to make that work.
- Blueprints come out for people who get 10 chests in a tournament, allowing them to upgrade magic buildings.
- Players say this isn't what we asked for.
- Your timeline begins
So basically, your timeline includes everything that makes players look bad, and nothing that shows the developers failing to live up to what they indicated they were planning. Other than that, it's an excellent timeline.
Ashrem
Oh Wise One
You don't need extra time to get ten chests. You need that much time to turn a 4 chest group into a ten chest group. Once you are in a ten chest group, you need very little extra time to have it all.
Enevhar Aldarion
Oh Wise One
It looks like this thread about the RR spell is the best one to include this info, since I haven not seen it posted before. But anyway, I had the recipe for one BP converted to 10 RR show up for me today. I do not have a BP, so the cost to do the crafting without a BP is 300 diamonds.
Risen Malchiah
Well-Known Member
@Ashrem @RandomNo. The contention in your differing timelines is regarding the order of events and I'm pretty sure blueprints existed from the very beginning of fellowship-oriented tournaments, certainly way before the rebalancing in May 2018.
Ashrem
Oh Wise One
You're correct on that part. I mis-remembered when Blueprints were introduced. But they were certainly introduced long after we started asking for ways to upgrade event buildings.
DeletedUser20553
Guest
If you used RR's on Wishing Wells, would that allow you to have another 100 days of production out of them or ? Trying to understand what the benefit of the RR's are?
Ashrem
Oh Wise One
Excellent question. I wondered myself, but am not willing to waste RRs when I think I already know and don't like the answer.
If upgrading the expiring buildings doesn't reset them, then they shouldn't be eligible. Eventually someone's going to waste points upgrading and generate angry trouble tickets.
mikeledo
Well-Known Member
No. It would only increase the culture value. RR can update festival buildings. Like the set buildings.
Deborah M
Oh Wise One
Since I need to keep my blueprints it will take 4 weeks of 10 chest tournaments before I can upgrade my oldest event Phoenix by one level up from Woodelves. Feels like WooHoo but beats a blank I guess. Just trying to put this into perspective
Adding: It shows on the upgrade tab that if you use RR spell on wishing well it just increases the culture. I'm guessing some players keep them after they run out of other advantages.
Adding: It shows on the upgrade tab that if you use RR spell on wishing well it just increases the culture. I'm guessing some players keep them after they run out of other advantages.
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SoggyShorts
Mathematician par Excellence
Yep. About 12 months IIRC, and thats with 5 or 6, not 4, so probably another few weeks.
We went from
5-6 chests to
300 min points
600 min points
10 chests every 4 weeks,
Every 2 weeks,
Every week
Gained and lost 15? players I think.
Recruitment in elvenar is hella painful.
DeletedUser19723
Guest
Is this because there are more fellowships that want to reach the 10 chests than there are players that really want that? From my "beginner" perspective, Elvenar has something for everyone. It's all a matter of what that something is. Casual, competitive, super competitive? As long as one is satisfied with their game play, there is no right way, is there? And yeah, as one plays longer and longer, I'll bet their game play changes. As far as the 10 chests, I'm thinking that there are probably many players who lust after that, but once actually invested in doing it, they back off because they find they don't want that commitment.
It's funny, when you said that recruitment is painful it made me think that I'm already noticing a lot of players start a city, immediately join a fellowship, then decide they don't care for the game and just stop playing. When I look around in elvenstats, I see fellowships littered with beginner players who've moved on. It isn't hard to have some consideration for the FS and click the Leave option, is it? Am I being too idealistic?